Body Fluids--subject to vegan scrutiny--yes or no?
Posted by Capture on May 31, 2009 · Member since Jul 2007 · 3981 posts
Should human body fluids be identified as vegan or not?
Example--vegan woman ingests the semen of an omni man. How is said semen classified--is this a vegan taboo? Is the semen not-vegan or is it perceived differently then other products that may or may not contain animal proteins.
Are omin body fluids the same as say a cheeseburger? Yes or no and why? If there is any known credible research--post that too!
Discuss (nicely please!)
To me, veganism is more about reducing suffering and helping the planet than anything else. I don't like thinking of it as an extensive list of NO NOs. I think its a moot point. Plus, I don't swallow ;)
But it is an interesting discussion! :^
Yes. Moot point. Agreed. In fact, I think arguing about it sort of undermines the legitimacy of veganism as a whole. It's one of those things omnis can bitch to you about and then think they're so cunning for having found a loophole in veganism. To me, it's like trying to debate whether writing in blue pen is vegan. It's like, whatever, doesn't matter. Irrelevant.
We should have semen tasting. Like wine tasting. Line them all up and do a blind study.
Also, to me, spit out a saliva-semen mixture is worse than just swallowing it if you can. But I've never minded the taste really.
Again, fb, I need your scientific input. Is there a scientific basis for omni jizz to taste worse?
We were just funnin' ya.
Yeah, ANT.
Back to the point, -No.
grrrrrrrrrrr
>:(
To me, veganism is more about reducing suffering and helping the planet than anything else. I don't like thinking of it as an extensive list of NO NOs. I think its a moot point. Plus, I don't swallow ;)
But it is an interesting discussion! :^
Yes. Moot point. Agreed. In fact, I think arguing about it sort of undermines the legitimacy of veganism as a whole. It's one of those things omnis can bitch to you about and then think they're so cunning for having found a loophole in veganism. To me, it's like trying to debate whether writing in blue pen is vegan. It's like, whatever, doesn't matter. Irrelevant.
We should have semen tasting. Like wine tasting. Line them all up and do a blind study.
Also, to me, spit out a saliva-semen mixture is worse than just swallowing it if you can. But I've never minded the taste really.
Again, fb, I need your scientific input. Is there a scientific basis for omni jizz to taste worse?
maybe its the texture for me. too slimey. like egg white? i usually remove my mouth before it gets in there. gasp! I know, my poor dh. It's just something I can't do. ???
KMK I like that you agree with me. I feel like I said something right for once! ;)b
KMK I like that you agree with me. I feel like I said something right for once! ;)b
Oh jeez! I'm not the final authority here! I'm glad we agree though. :)
Egg whites. Ew. Don't say that. Bleeeeee blechchcchcchchhh.
Plz to cast yer votes:
http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=28042.msg310936#new
We were just funnin' ya.
Yeah, ANT.
Back to the point, -No.
grrrrrrrrrrr
>:(
I'm always joking with you.
The "back to the point-No" was the answer to "subject to vegan scrutiny?" I mean, really..it's almost a ludicrous question. As we are all agreeing, I think. Just another one of those "ohhhh, you can't really be vegan because you walk on the street, or breathe the air, yada"
I also agree that spitting is weird. Kind of like chewing tobacco, or something? Like, hey..hold on..I need to spit this out...
It's already in your mouth!
What if you're just really lazy and swallowing means minimizing/eliminating any mess to clean up later? I think that'd definitely be vegan because you're minimizing clean-up stuff. That means less raw ingredients, industrial pollution, and transportation.
This thread is too awesome not to comment on. I'm with everyone else on this subject . Veganism to me is not about rules and laws. I do it because I'm compassionate, not because I like living with strict laws that I must abide by daily. And I think it needs to be said that swallowing is awesome, and SHAME ON YOU L2A! You should be more compassionate and take one for the team.
You should be more compassionate and take one for the team.
Ohhhh vegan burn.
This thread is too awesome not to comment on. I'm with everyone else on this subject . Veganism to me is not about rules and laws. I do it because I'm compassionate, not because I like living with strict laws that I must abide by daily. And I think it needs to be said that swallowing is awesome, and SHAME ON YOU L2A! You should be more compassionate and take one for the team.
shrug. I've never been able to do it. I don't know why. I've got quite the gag reflex I think. If I grow some balls and try it, I will report back! I probably could use the B-12 if nothing else.
I love you guys soooooo much! This thread is both illuminating and amusing! I am seriously thankful for all of your input!!!! <3
and this thread is not as bad as the jizz thread???? ;)b
and this thread is not as bad as the jizz thread???? ;)b
I think it was the word choice. I changed "jizz" to "semen" to appease the masses of vegwebbers who are all to afraid to speak up against the big ol' meanie that I am. You know, for morality's sake. ::)
But no, it's exactly the same.
What do you think about the topic, capture? You didn't voice your opinion yet!
if you are offended by the word jizz, please don't watch Saturday Night Live. Did anyone see Leanne Rimes do Jizz in my pants on the MTV awards?
if you are offended by the word jizz, please don't watch Saturday Night Live. Did anyone see Leanne Rimes do Jizz in my pants on the MTV awards?
Oh for crying out loud. One of my students was singing Jizz in My Pants today. I was like, really? Really? "Oh, it's a song, Miss." YEAHIKNOW. I DON'T WANNA HEAR THE WORDS OUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH, CHILD! Or more like, "On a scale of one to ten, how school-appropriate do you think those words are?"
....and I'm noticing that we're not in grade school anymore, Toto!
Ever notice that many sex nouns also act as verbs? Jizz is one of them.
and this thread is not as bad as the jizz thread???? ;)b
I think it was the word choice. I changed "jizz" to "semen" to appease the masses of vegwebbers who are all to afraid to speak up against the big ol' meanie that I am. You know, for morality's sake. ::)
But no, it's exactly the same.
What do you think about the topic, capture? You didn't voice your opinion yet!
I think both threads are being discussed reasonablly. Sure there are some jizz jokes--but there is no "pornographic" material in either. I think the spirit of the topic "are body fluids (especially semen) vegan?" is being carried throughout both with little sidetracking. I think everyone is being honest with there opinions and everyone is being respectful of that. I don't see any offensive material--perhaps a few jokes that creep a bit close to the line--but nothing overt!
I say: Carry on!!
We're rating the taste of semen, now?
Should we line an omni and a vegan up next to eachother, and really test that out?
:-D haha GREAT idea. it would be a very fun science experiement.
i've had this discussion before. but, my boyfriend is vegan so... i dont have to worry about it. just like being vegan though, i'd say its a matter of personal preference.
i know vegans who eat honey, but i don't. its a very personal thing, to be vegan. do what ya want!
I think both threads are being discussed reasonablly. Sure there are some jizz jokes--but there is no "pornographic" material in either. I think the spirit of the topic "are body fluids (especially semen) vegan?" is being carried throughout both with little sidetracking. I think everyone is being honest with there opinions and everyone is being respectful of that. I don't see any offensive material--perhaps a few jokes that creep a bit close to the line--but nothing overt!
I say: Carry on!!
Oh, I meant, what's your opinion about the question you originally asked in the thread! ;D
I think both threads are being discussed reasonablly. Sure there are some jizz jokes--but there is no "pornographic" material in either. I think the spirit of the topic "are body fluids (especially semen) vegan?" is being carried throughout both with little sidetracking. I think everyone is being honest with there opinions and everyone is being respectful of that. I don't see any offensive material--perhaps a few jokes that creep a bit close to the line--but nothing overt!
I say: Carry on!!
Oh, I meant, what's your opinion about the question you originally asked in the thread! ;D
Oh! hahaha!
Well! Before the question was put to me (very seriously and without angst) I had never thought much of it--honestly, I was either w/ other vegans or not with anyone at all--so it was never an issue. At first I was a bit upset about the whole thing--the omni in question made a good point that since he did in fact eat meat and that the body breaks down said animal products and uses it for the building of other bodily cells, tissues, fluids and what not--that well, omni semen may just not be a vegan friendly menu item. I definitely needed some guidence and advice and thus sought the fine oppinions of vegwebers because I knew you all would have thoughts on the matter.
When it comes down to it--I agree with the analogy that semen is like breast milk and because it is something that is given and recieved freely--that although strictly speaking it is an animal by-product if you will--it is something that is done so without exploitation. Furthermore--the fact that the giver is an omni has no bearing on "how vegan" I am--I do the best I can do everyday and if we are going to be so petty as to say being intimate with an omni is not vegan, then one could easily argue that having any non-vegans in your life was not vegan either--which is all sorts of lame--especially since we only make up like 1% of the population! We can't all live on an island (well, we could, and that would be awesome...but totaly not practical..)
Anywho--I am really feeling good about the discussion that is happening here on this subject and I am so thankful for all the honest thoughts and opinions! Thank you!!
Yes! I think that's great logic. Again, it's one of those things that omni's like to push buttons about. You're right, it's petty.
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