we've had the argument about vegan v. vegetarian before (partially when shit went haywire, so it's touchy). the recipes are all vegan, of course, and thought we completely accept omnivores and vegetarians... it really isn't supposed to be discussed on the boards or in the recipe reviews.

this is a safe haven for many people who just want to be around like-minded people or people who won't judge them for their choices and not have to hear about adding eggs and beef to recipes. baypuppy is right when she says it's a vegan board, that was ascertained when it was 'fought about' a half a year or so ago.

MR C. -- I can't remember the exact sourcing areas, but you can probably look it up. i also wish i could remember where i heard it so i could look it up again, but it has to do with the places beet and cane sugar are processed, which are different states.

Is "raw sugar" called raw because it's not processed like the white?

It's vegweb.com, not veganweb.com. Both "vegetarian" and "vegan" begin with "veg." Where does it state it's a strictly vegan website? And when i do start posting recipes, i will post vegetarian recipes, of course stating when they're not vegan safe. I don't think restricting recipes to vegan is being very thoughtful of vegetarians who arent vegan. People just starting out may not have as many restrictions on what they eat or dont eat and we should nurture their new habits rather than scaring them off and making them think it's too hard to continue.

It's funny because I just discovered this forum and have been reading all the posts. I am very new to all of this so I was trying to find out basic info, such as whether Cherrios were vegan. Your post hit home with me. After reading the other bad attitudes here, I can see I'll need to find a new forum, one that doesn't have a bunch of elitist crap about vegan recipes being the only acceptable food or how they "don't allow" posts about veggies. Are these people kidding? Why not have recipes, clearly labeled, for both? And why not understand how important it is to nurture (instead of turn off) people who are new to all this? It's ironic how short-sighted people can be.

If you happen to know of another forum, please let me know. Thanks

Wow, I'm not vegan and I've never felt unwelcome or that everyone here was elitist.

The thing is, forums and websites are run by a person, and the person who runs this site has asked (and enforced) that all recipes submitted be vegan. Everyone can eat vegan recipes, not everyone can eat ovo-lacto-vegetarian recipes.

If you're still here, newgreenie, I'd suggest participating in the Chit Chat section, not the Debate section. This part is made for letting off steam and talking about things that are controversial, and I personally have ignored this section's existance for over a year. You'll find lots of welcoming help from other ovo-lacto vegetarians (like myself) and very accepting vegans as well. In my experience, even thought I thought I'd find people looking down on me here, they don't at all.

I like it that I know what to expect. And I also like it that I can count on every recipe here being vegan, so there's no worries about a questionable ingredient sneaking in.

I can add cheese, sour cream, eggs, whatever. Usually, I don't though. Vegan food is yummy and really kind of interesting. I didn't know until I came here that I could sub in applesauce for eggs in baking, and it's REALLY good.

;)b

Ehhh, he doesn't get it.

You decide we're elitists who exclude people after reading ONE thread on the most controversial forum?! I think you've shortsightedly turned yourself off. How ironic.

If you'd give us a chance, you'd find that VWers are a largely open-minded bunch. It's up to you. If you even bother to read this. ::)

:)>>> Well said, Heli.
VW is a great place. As JC said, you can avoid the debate board entirely and get a lot out of this place. You can edit, tweak or add to the recipes if you know anything at all about cooking--and most of us do. I for one have a tendency to change the original format out of all existence!

You can enjoy just being on the ChitChat without being vegan, or even cooking a single recipe. If you've a mind to.

Getting back to the Cheerios part of the OP: Even as a kid I didn't like Cheerios because to me they smelled kind of like puppy chow. More so with milk. Not much as a breakfast, but great as a chewing exercise, I guess.

Yup, as far back as the 60's Cheerios was touted as "energy cereal" and they had baseball players to endorse it. It smells funny dry, and it smells even worse wet. When I was a kid we got our first family puppy and she ate wetted Puppy Chow. To me it looked and smelled about the same. I know because I used to dip into it when Mom wasn't around. She found out and was horrorrified!

Back in those days it was Cheerios and Wheaties. And then suddenly along came Frosted Flakes and all the other sugar-drenched cereals, including one in the mid 70s called "Freakies". I wonder if Freakies is still around? They were shaped like little monster thingies, in faar too bright colours.

Give me oatmeal porridge or cream of rice, any day of the week. With buttery spread and salt, for choice. Or the good old microwaved potato.