dont be offended please
Posted by veronica66 on Jun 06, 2007 · Member since May 2006 · 74 posts
please do NOT be offended- for i have no one else to ask two very important questions:
1. is semen from a non vegan male considered vegan?
2. what about hair weave? if a chick gets human hair sewn into her head, is THAT considered vegan? this one really bewilders me because though its 'human' it is still an 'animal' product.
help, i hope i havent offended anyone. i dont know any other vegans and i tried to 'google' the answers, but nothing.
thanks so much.
veronica
1. is semen from a non vegan male considered vegan?
That's an interesting question!
In fact, I would think not.
If the person is eating animal products, the person's bodily fluids will be also made up of animal products, too, yeah?
Especially, since semen consists of protein. In this case, animal protein, no?
1. is semen from a non vegan male considered vegan?
http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=16340.0
2. what about hair weave? if a chick gets human hair sewn into her head, is THAT considered vegan? this one really bewilders me because though its 'human' it is still an 'animal' product.
I'm not sure why you're vegan (animal rights, health, other). If it's for animal suffering reasons, then no one suffered when cutting and selling their hair to be used for extensions. You'll suffer when getting the weave, but that's about it.
Yes, but isn't this thread different? No?
She's asking about a NON-VEGAN male.
If the semen comes from a vegan, there are no animal by-products in it.
If it is from a non-vegan, then isn't that different? If you swallow, you are ingesting animal by-products in the semen, whether consented or not, no?
Sorry if I sound crude here. Don't mean to be. Just trying to get to the root of the matter. ;)
Edit: Not sure if I'm making myself clear. I mean that the non-vegan semen is made of materials that was originally from animals. I'm not a biologist, I'm just guessing obviously.
Huh... I didn't that about the source of hair extensions.
In terms of semen, I think it worrying about it would be overthinking it. But - I like overthinking things. White table sugar may be bone char processed so vegans don't use it. Other threads have mentioned animals involved in auto manufacturing (tires or something). People try to reduce using animal products where they can (sugar), but will still use them when they need to (cars). I think it's a question for each person to decide whether semen is sugar or a car.
Huh... I didn't that about the source of hair extensions.
In terms of semen, I think it worrying about it would be overthinking it. But - I like overthinking things. White table sugar may be bone char processed so vegans don't use it. Other threads have mentioned animals involved in auto manufacturing (tires or something). People try to reduce using animal products where they can (sugar), but will still use them when they need to (cars). I think it's a question for each person to decide whether semen is sugar or a car.
Sorry to be on this thread so much! But I just wanted to say that I guess I thought Veronica was asking a literal question. Not a question of whether it's okay or not to, well, you know. Of course, it's up to the individual, just like eating honey or anything else. (Okay, I won't post again...I'm annoying!)
Sorry to be on this thread so much! But I just wanted to say that I guess I thought Veronica was asking a literal question.
Whoops! Some mornings are like this for me. The sugar/car analogy was supposed to be better stated.
If someone eats meat and then produces semen, is that semen vegan? Well, that person would produce semen regardless of animal consumption, so semen production does not result from animal products (other than the producer himself). However, animal product consumption is expressed in the quality of the semen. In the end, I think it's up to each person to decide.
ummm on the other hand if you tell this nonvegan guy that you cannot ingest semen from a non vegan, maybe it would encourage him to convert- hehe
1: i think is fine. its a human product, not an animal product. as to 'what its made from', i think we'd be hard pressed to find any fruit, veg, or beans, that are produced with soil that doesn't contain any animal product trace... from organic-matter fertilizers, from run off, or even from ancient prehistoric bugs that died in the soil long ago, and we ingest them daily. would be nice if it was made using organic vegan products, but ya know. i'd be a good excuse if you didn't want to do something involving it, if you personally didn't feel it was vegan though.
2: again, human product, not animal product, but ethically, its vegan-ness depends on consent and fair trade stuff. unless its cadaver hair, in which case you're home free on the consent bit, and it'd be a positive product, cos of the re-cycling involved.
1: i think is fine. its a human product, not an animal product. as to 'what its made from', i think we'd be hard pressed to find any fruit, veg, or beans, that are produced with soil that doesn't contain any animal product trace... from organic-matter fertilizers, from run off, or even from ancient prehistoric bugs that died in the soil long ago, and we ingest them daily. would be nice if it was made using organic vegan products, but ya know. i'd be a good excuse if you didn't want to do something involving it, if you personally didn't feel it was vegan though.
Well, I'm back. I just can't stay off this post. Sorry. ::)
I'm probably going to sound really unintelligent here, because I'm certainly no whiz at Biology. But for the sake of playing devil's advocate...
Semen is composed of some amino acids (and enzymes) broken down (hydrolyzed) from proteins, which for a non-vegan, probably come from animals. Being that semen is not something that we need to ingest to survive (opposed to veggies that come from the ground that are slightly contaminated with animal by-products through some indirect, out-of-our control events/methods), wouldn't you say that semen from a non-vegan would be non-vegan? I mean isn't ingesting animal-derived amino acids in semen equivalent to eating amino acid supplements derived from an animal?
You know, I'm just interested in the technical/biological aspect of this subject. Again, at the end of the day, it's all a matter of choice.
Do they really use cadaver hair for extensions?
Humans are animals, don't forget.
If human milk is for infant human consumption, then human semen is for whatever you care to use it for...umm. Because human semen from a vegan male or not is an animal product, but we are the same species of animal and our own animal "products" (body fluids) are for our own use...I think it is a personal matter for the, well, the "user" to decide. Certainly human animals can be exploited for $ex, but mutually consentual fun and games doesn't exploit anyone.
When it comes to human hair extension, I agree that if the hair is grown and sold in a way that exploits and/or takes advantage of human need to survive, then it is no different from exploiting cows, pigs or chickens for human use. Again, we are animals too and vegans don't promote the misuse of animals in any form.
Wow, vegan pilpul... :)
I saw a documentary about where natural-hair wigs come from. They tracked the most expensive wigs and natural extensions that certain top models use, and discovered that the best hair comes from India. Apparently there's a ceremony which involves women and girls having their heads shaved bald and giving the hair to a certain temple as an offering. The hair is then sold to dealers who have it sorted, graded, washed and bundled. Then it goes on to China where it is bleached and strung (I can't imagine how hard that part is) on threads, re-dyed in all different colours and made up into wigs, hairpieces and extensions.
The women of course aren't paid for their hair, as it is given to whatever deity is involved (and I can't remember which one it was). So whether or not that would be considered exploitation or not (they don't expect to be paid, either), I don't know.
As with anything, these are personal issues and choices. For the semen, personally, my decesion would be based on what harm am I causing, physically and emotionally and on what level. It depends on what you believe your relationship with that person is and how you feel about sexual issues.
As for hair extensions, I am not entirely sure about the circumstances of needing hair extensions. Chemo-therapy patients may use wigs, which is often made by Locks for Love. I would say check the source of the hair extensions and find out if the hair is from a humane source. :) (Remember to check labels on food and non-food products!) ;)
Have a great summer everyone! 8)
Peace
I think that we might be thinking a little TOO hard on the subject. Semen is mostly a salinous solution whose calories number in the teens for the average male ejaculation. Since nutritional value is negligible, I think that we need to focus mainly on the exploitation aspect which, I'll guess, is also negligible. I think we're in the clear here, but what would you say a nice waiting period would be after becoming vegan that you could safely call your semen vegan?
this is really fabulous. everyone loves the semen threads... but these are questions that people ask vegans. my new friend nina was stoked to find out that i was vegan, because she's never known a real live vegan person before. and now she comes up with the strangest questions to ask me, so it's good to know that this board is a thorough source...
My boyfriend is an omni. Never thought that his semen was "unethical." By uh ... partaking in it, I'm not harming any animals or exploiting the environment. Besides, it's actually a good source of B12. ;)
Seriously, though, he's a very conscious omni. He never eats meat outside of his own home. And this is because he travels to a small sustainable farm around here to get his meat from a very nice farmer. The animals are treated well, they're allowed to BE animals, they're grass fed without overgrazing anything, the land is treated well, it's all sustainable, etc. He won't eat meat (or dairy) unless he personally goes out to the farm and meets the animals. So, I have no issue with his semen ... or meat eating.
Hair - well, humans donate their own hair to make wigs. So, I don't see why that would be unethical unless it's from a company that steals human hair? I don't know how one would steal human hair, though.
heheh, the overthinking is the fun part!
if you wanted some from a vegan guy, i would suggest a week with perhaps a lot of ... uh... old semen removal ;) then you can have some of the fresh stuff!!
(btw this is all really gross to me!!)
I'm hetero so I don't "want" any from a vegan guy. ;-)
okay, with that line if i have a cow that is eating a natural diet, then isn't it's products vegan? no animals were killed for the cow to make its milk or meat.
this is fun :D
Yeah, but the cow would still be killed to feed the non-vegan, and therefore the vegan would be partaking of that process.
Better to partake straight from a natural diet of plants, which is incorporated into the body of a vegan.
But what do I care what people want/do not want to ingest? To each their own. I have heard a rumor that vegans are sweeter though.
Anyone care to do a taste test?
(Now I KNOW I'm going to be thrown off this forum once and for all! I'm just kidding folks!!!!!)
:D
of course i know that eating a "vegan" cow wouldn't be vegan. but we can't argue that consumption of vegan foods makes products of a person/animal "safe for vegan consumption". if you are eating semen, you are eating animal byproducts. what makes it okay is consent--a man can be like "yes eat my semen" but animals don't consent to having their stuff consumed by humans. they make milk for their babies and, i'm sure, would rather that their babies get it than to have humans take it and eat it.
Yes, but like I said, the person will still be partaking in the process of cruelty by ingesting it. The cow did not consent to being eaten by the non-vegan who is consenting to, well, you know. Look I don't even fully believe what I'm saying, I'm just giving a different perspective on it. And kind of being silly, too. ::) I only know how I feel about it (which is my business :-X ;)). And my views have changed over the past few months on many issues.
anyways, can we argue about vaginal fluids? i'm tired of thinking about bj's :D
Myself being a cunning linguist, I would relish the oppurtunity to argue about that.
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