Posted by hiimkelsi on Apr 10, 2008 · Member since Sep 2004 · 2297 posts
every picture/recipe that you have posted, I have been eying up! it just all looks so delish!! do you work at a particular vegan restaurant in chicago?
Posted by KissMeKate on May 21, 2008 · Member since Aug 2007 · 7322 posts
The fact that she deleted her profile and scampered away in such a hurry is telling. Really, what was she trying to accomplish here? Other than making herself look ridiculous?
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Posted by abrimmer on May 21, 2008 · Member since Jan 2005 · 1198 posts
I wonder if she is sitting around reading these posts. Extremely pissed or extremely smug? What a sad person. I suppose we should feel sorry for her for having to resort to lies for attention and praise.
Exactly and when I mentioned it to my 15 year old son, he basically said the same thing...what does that say about her? She must not be able to stand on her own merits to have to take the credit for someone else's recipes and photos!
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Posted by ~treehugginghip... on May 21, 2008 · Member since Sep 2007 · 3036 posts
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
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Posted by abrimmer on May 21, 2008 · Member since Jan 2005 · 1198 posts
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
LOL, that was our Scooby Doo...Dewey for short. ;D He was a hoot!
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Posted by laurabs on May 21, 2008 · Member since Jul 2006 · 2610 posts
I'm pretty sure nothing will come from it though.
I agree with you on this one. I'm pretty miffed about all of this.
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Posted by Allychristine on May 21, 2008 · Member since Dec 2007 · 15438 posts
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
haha, I think I thought the same thing! ;D
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Posted by ~treehugginghip... on May 21, 2008 · Member since Sep 2007 · 3036 posts
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
haha, I think I thought the same thing! ;D
I am glad you thought that too...I thought it was old age catching up with my eyes! :o
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Posted by hiimkelsi on May 21, 2008 · Member since Sep 2004 · 2297 posts
whoah. thats just so bizarre!! i mean. i thought that i did boring, useless things in my free time (like read pages and pages of saucydwellings on lj.. hehe) but to put in all the effort to copy recipes and pictures from one site to another. now that is pretty useless.
ohwell. i look forward to making these martha stewart and recipebazaar recipes!!!
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Posted by Ranu on May 21, 2008 · Member since Apr 2008 · 207 posts
I don't understand why everyone is angry about this, we got to try tasty stuff we otherwise wouldn't have, and yes it was wrong of her to take the stuff and call it hers, but everyone makes mistakes. I don't think any of us have lived a life that's regret free, and there is no reason to be so mean to her about it. We agree it was wrong. Now be nice.
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Posted by Allychristine on May 21, 2008 · Member since Dec 2007 · 15438 posts
Hey everyone, I received a fast reply from CL, and she stated that I could relay it to others. So, let us heal and move on! This is the message from Veganworld:
On 2008-05-21 20:27:52 ChefLindsay wrote: >You may relay this message to others if you choose, or just summerize...my deepest apologies. > > >All I can say I guess is that the majority are in fact recipes that I have veganized and gotten good results and/or responses from, and so I thought other vegans would like to try and appreciate some good recipes that they may have not seen before. I truly and sincerely apologize for the controversy this has clearly caused. I did not mean any harm...but I do see where everyone is coming from. My intentions were not deception...only to give other vegans a chance to expand their options and to possibly impress others, vegans and non-vegans alike, with some great dishes. I guess it just didn't occur to me since pretty much every single recipe on the internet, wherever you may look, is either directly or indirectly a recreation of another...basically, every recipe has come from someone else, and I know that there are many other recipes on VegWeb that fall into this category and have been veganized. I am in no way trying to justify this, but it is a fact I wanted to point out. Again, my sincerest apologies to all who have been bothered by this. I have already requested that the recipes I have posted be taken down, and I will not be returning there to post again. Please accept this apology, and all I can say is I'm human...I'm sure you can all relate. Take care and please let this be the final discussion of me, the recipes, or anything else related. >-C.L.
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Posted by pinkerbell03 on May 21, 2008 · Member since Mar 2007 · 850 posts
I don't think we're being mean, I think we're upset. This is like a big ol' honkin happy family to most of us, and when someone comes in and lies to us, we get pissed. You act like she lied accidentally. No, she purposefully lied, deceived us, and tried to cover it up. Trust me, I know I have some thoughts about the situation that I'm not posting, and I'm guessing others do too. Stealing recipes is wrong. Stealing pictures of recipes is wrong. This wasn't a mistake, it was purposeful. There's a HUGE difference.
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Posted by laur b. on May 21, 2008 · Member since Sep 2006 · 216 posts
well what really bothers me is how she was so quick and willing to take all the compliments and praise she was getting, especially for the pictures, which are even more blatantly copied than the recipes. i wouldn't mind so much if she just posted the recipes and left it at that.
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Posted by ~treehugginghip... on May 21, 2008 · Member since Sep 2007 · 3036 posts
I personal don't think anyone was being mean. I also think there is a reason to feel whatever emotion you are feeling..she lied and misled people and then readily accepted their praise..yes everyone makes mistakes but then they own up to them and apologize. She deleted her profile and ran because she was discovered as being dishonest. Doesn't seem to me that she wanted to apologize or explain.
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Posted by pinkerbell03 on May 21, 2008 · Member since Mar 2007 · 850 posts
and like I predicted earlier, I do not believe a word of that explanation.
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Posted by ~treehugginghip... on May 21, 2008 · Member since Sep 2007 · 3036 posts
and like I predicted earlier, I do not believe a word of that explanation.
agreed
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Posted by little2ant on May 21, 2008 · Member since Aug 2004 · 3055 posts
so are her recipes down? i want to book mark them before they are gone (even if they aren't hers). I already wrote down the brownie one, but there may be other i want to try!
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Posted by KissMeKate on May 21, 2008 · Member since Aug 2007 · 7322 posts
well what really bothers me is how she was so quick and willing to take all the compliments and praise she was getting, especially for the pictures, which are even more blatantly copied than the recipes. i wouldn't mind so much if she just posted the recipes and left it at that.
I personal don't think anyone was being mean. I also think there is a reason to feel whatever emotion you are feeling..she lied and misled people and then readily accepted their praise..yes everyone makes mistakes but then they own up to them and apologize. She deleted her profile and ran because she was discovered as being dishonest. Doesn't seem to me that she wanted to apologize or explain.
These.
I mean yeah, it was a mistake. But she carried it a little too far.
Like I've said, she would have done well to at least acknowledge the sources at some point along the way, or to post about her success in veganizing the recipes on the forums. She outright lied, though! She made us think they were some original idea that she'd develop for these plans she was creating! And then she basically said, "Don't let anyone else on the web tell you they thought of these recipe first, they are mine!" That's the terrible part. She lied when we confronted her about it. If she'd said, yeah they're not mine, it might have been cool.
"It didn't occur to me" that this was stealing? Come on now.
I think a lot of us feel taken advantage of, that's all. And insulted.
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Posted by KissMeKate on May 21, 2008 · Member since Aug 2007 · 7322 posts
Also, it's quite clear in the recipe submission form that they are supposed to be original. Granted, every recipe here may not be original, but hers just got a lot of attention, so she was easy to find out. That's how it goes.
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Posted by Capture on May 21, 2008 · Member since Jul 2007 · 3981 posts
It's all so lame and sad! She must have a very pathetic life to sit around and steal--I mean "alter" recipies and rip off pics. Whatever. Props to THHF and Bp for doing their homework and busting the theif!
Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2008 · Member since Dec 1969 · 11789 posts
Hey, this seems as good of a place to ask as any... what is the proper procedure for when a recipe on here is CLEARLY plagiarized? A few months ago I found my DH's favorite veggie recipe on here--Asian Broccoli Noodles, from Sarah Fritchner's "Vegetarian Express Lane" cookbook
There were ways to report comments but not recipes. I mean, it is WORD FOR WORD, right down to recommending roasted carrots or sliced tomatoes as sides and how to adjust the proportions if you want to add tofu. The ONLY difference I see is the word "vegan" sprinkled in a few times (e.g., using "vegan sugar" instead of "sugar").
The thing that gets me the most annoyed is this comment:
"Hi Everyone! This is the same Renee who submitted this recipe over 3 years ago!I forgot that that I submitted this recipe here until I stumbled upon the site again after a long absence. I created this recipe for my son Kyle who was 17 years old and a new vegan about 3 years ago.(I think) We too have continued to enjoy this recipe for all these years. I just wanted to say thank you to all those who wrote such nice comments about my recipe and also to those who wrote such creative and helpful additions/changes to the dish as well. I'm happy so many of you like it and I hope many more will continue to make this dish one of their favorites. In honor of my much-loved first born son Kyle who inspired me to create this recipe...I hearby change the name to...Kyles Asian Broccoli Noodles! Peace, Renee (From Minneapolis, Minnesota USA)"
>:( >:( >:(
I was so mad and, I admit, lost a bit of faith in VegWeb that day. In an odd way, this thread here really has restored it, since so many here are clearly so outraged.
The fact that she deleted her profile and scampered away in such a hurry is telling.
Really, what was she trying to accomplish here?
Other than making herself look ridiculous?
I wonder if she is sitting around reading these posts. Extremely pissed or extremely smug? What a sad person. I suppose we should feel sorry for her for having to resort to lies for attention and praise.
Exactly and when I mentioned it to my 15 year old son, he basically said the same thing...what does that say about her? She must not be able to stand on her own merits to have to take the credit for someone else's recipes and photos!
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
LOL, that was our Scooby Doo...Dewey for short. ;D He was a hoot!
I'm pretty sure nothing will come from it though.
I agree with you on this one. I'm pretty miffed about all of this.
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
haha, I think I thought the same thing! ;D
LMAO! totally off topic but I had to mention ...abrimmer, whenever I see your avatar I always think it is an ultrasound picture of a fetus..I just clicked on it to see it better...a frikken Lizard! :-D :-D :-D
haha, I think I thought the same thing! ;D
I am glad you thought that too...I thought it was old age catching up with my eyes! :o
whoah. thats just so bizarre!! i mean. i thought that i did boring, useless things in my free time (like read pages and pages of saucydwellings on lj.. hehe) but to put in all the effort to copy recipes and pictures from one site to another. now that is pretty useless.
ohwell. i look forward to making these martha stewart and recipebazaar recipes!!!
I don't understand why everyone is angry about this, we got to try tasty stuff we otherwise wouldn't have, and yes it was wrong of her to take the stuff and call it hers, but everyone makes mistakes. I don't think any of us have lived a life that's regret free, and there is no reason to be so mean to her about it. We agree it was wrong. Now be nice.
Hey everyone, I received a fast reply from CL, and she stated that I could relay it to others. So, let us heal and move on! This is the message from Veganworld:
On 2008-05-21 20:27:52 ChefLindsay wrote:
>You may relay this message to others if you choose, or just summerize...my deepest apologies.
>
>
>All I can say I guess is that the majority are in fact recipes that I have veganized and gotten good results and/or responses from, and so I thought other vegans would like to try and appreciate some good recipes that they may have not seen before. I truly and sincerely apologize for the controversy this has clearly caused. I did not mean any harm...but I do see where everyone is coming from. My intentions were not deception...only to give other vegans a chance to expand their options and to possibly impress others, vegans and non-vegans alike, with some great dishes. I guess it just didn't occur to me since pretty much every single recipe on the internet, wherever you may look, is either directly or indirectly a recreation of another...basically, every recipe has come from someone else, and I know that there are many other recipes on VegWeb that fall into this category and have been veganized. I am in no way trying to justify this, but it is a fact I wanted to point out. Again, my sincerest apologies to all who have been bothered by this. I have already requested that the recipes I have posted be taken down, and I will not be returning there to post again. Please accept this apology, and all I can say is I'm human...I'm sure you can all relate. Take care and please let this be the final discussion of me, the recipes, or anything else related.
>-C.L.
I don't think we're being mean, I think we're upset. This is like a big ol' honkin happy family to most of us, and when someone comes in and lies to us, we get pissed. You act like she lied accidentally. No, she purposefully lied, deceived us, and tried to cover it up. Trust me, I know I have some thoughts about the situation that I'm not posting, and I'm guessing others do too. Stealing recipes is wrong. Stealing pictures of recipes is wrong. This wasn't a mistake, it was purposeful. There's a HUGE difference.
well what really bothers me is how she was so quick and willing to take all the compliments and praise she was getting, especially for the pictures, which are even more blatantly copied than the recipes. i wouldn't mind so much if she just posted the recipes and left it at that.
I personal don't think anyone was being mean. I also think there is a reason to feel whatever emotion you are feeling..she lied and misled people and then readily accepted their praise..yes everyone makes mistakes but then they own up to them and apologize. She deleted her profile and ran because she was discovered as being dishonest. Doesn't seem to me that she wanted to apologize or explain.
and like I predicted earlier, I do not believe a word of that explanation.
and like I predicted earlier, I do not believe a word of that explanation.
agreed
so are her recipes down? i want to book mark them before they are gone (even if they aren't hers). I already wrote down the brownie one, but there may be other i want to try!
well what really bothers me is how she was so quick and willing to take all the compliments and praise she was getting, especially for the pictures, which are even more blatantly copied than the recipes. i wouldn't mind so much if she just posted the recipes and left it at that.
I personal don't think anyone was being mean. I also think there is a reason to feel whatever emotion you are feeling..she lied and misled people and then readily accepted their praise..yes everyone makes mistakes but then they own up to them and apologize. She deleted her profile and ran because she was discovered as being dishonest. Doesn't seem to me that she wanted to apologize or explain.
These.
I mean yeah, it was a mistake. But she carried it a little too far.
Like I've said, she would have done well to at least acknowledge the sources at some point along the way, or to post about her success in veganizing the recipes on the forums. She outright lied, though! She made us think they were some original idea that she'd develop for these plans she was creating! And then she basically said, "Don't let anyone else on the web tell you they thought of these recipe first, they are mine!" That's the terrible part. She lied when we confronted her about it. If she'd said, yeah they're not mine, it might have been cool.
"It didn't occur to me" that this was stealing? Come on now.
I think a lot of us feel taken advantage of, that's all. And insulted.
Also, it's quite clear in the recipe submission form that they are supposed to be original. Granted, every recipe here may not be original, but hers just got a lot of attention, so she was easy to find out. That's how it goes.
It's all so lame and sad! She must have a very pathetic life to sit around and steal--I mean "alter" recipies and rip off pics. Whatever. Props to THHF and Bp for doing their homework and busting the theif!
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll128/hidden_deep_inside/liar.jpg
Hey, this seems as good of a place to ask as any... what is the proper procedure for when a recipe on here is CLEARLY plagiarized? A few months ago I found my DH's favorite veggie recipe on here--Asian Broccoli Noodles, from Sarah Fritchner's "Vegetarian Express Lane" cookbook
http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=8546.0
There were ways to report comments but not recipes. I mean, it is WORD FOR WORD, right down to recommending roasted carrots or sliced tomatoes as sides and how to adjust the proportions if you want to add tofu. The ONLY difference I see is the word "vegan" sprinkled in a few times (e.g., using "vegan sugar" instead of "sugar").
The thing that gets me the most annoyed is this comment:
"Hi Everyone! This is the same Renee who submitted this recipe over 3 years ago!I forgot that that I submitted this recipe here until I stumbled upon the site again after a long absence. I created this recipe for my son Kyle who was 17 years old and a new vegan about 3 years ago.(I think) We too have continued to enjoy this recipe for all these years. I just wanted to say thank you to all those who wrote such nice comments about my recipe and also to those who wrote such creative and helpful additions/changes to the dish as well. I'm happy so many of you like it and I hope many more will continue to make this dish one of their favorites. In honor of my much-loved first born son Kyle who inspired me to create this recipe...I hearby change the name to...Kyles Asian Broccoli Noodles! Peace, Renee (From Minneapolis, Minnesota USA)"
>:( >:( >:(
I was so mad and, I admit, lost a bit of faith in VegWeb that day. In an odd way, this thread here really has restored it, since so many here are clearly so outraged.
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