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NVR-I am a vegan FREAK

The other thread about the obnoxious aunt sort of reminded me about this. 

I reallly need some advice guys. So I go to this horribly homogenous private university in a one horse town the middle of the midwest cornfields.  Majority are rich, religious white kids  who've never had to work a finger in their life.  I moved pretty far away to come to this school and I have no friends.  I've been having trouble making friends, because I am a vegan "freak."  I've tried everything I can think of to cover up the apparently gigantic neon sign above my head claiming: "Do not talk to me because vegan's are wierd"

I've tried:
-not telling people what i am (but some other gossipy byotch tells them about it behind my back)
-telling people vegans aren't wierd and I'm a perfectly normal person (then they look at my clothes or ask me about some other random stuff they can  instantly judge me on and declare me an outcast:  "What?!  You don't have XXXX shoes?!" I mean what the hell?  I didn't think people actually acted like this.)
-telling people to go f*ck off (hey after the 20th person approaches me to gawk and declares my imminent death by malnutrition i can't help being blindingly irrate.  Not just irrate at the ignorant person in front of me, but mad at myself for coming to this stagnant pool of superficiality, mad at the world for influencing people to be that way, and mad at myself for being mad)
-making friends with other random sad-looking loner people (so far none of them have been receptive)
-making friends with other veggies (all the ones i've met are just people i wouldn't want to be friends with.  I don't WANT to talk about how hot john is everyday of my life.  I want to have an intellegent conversation.  But I'm giving them a chance because they're really all i have right now.  I hope they really do have thoughts in their brain other than john and hair straightners!)
-joining clubs (I have joined the environmental club and the gay straight alliance, but the kids in them are always too busy to hang out with me)
-making myself super busy with classes/extracircular activities  (well you know what, books can't be your friends and talk to you about your sh*tty day  or congradulate you on your awesome exam grade )

I know I'm plunging down into a deep depression and I'm really nervous about what is going to happend next.  (I have bipolar disorder with a history or extremely diabilitating depression) Usually when I got depressed i turned to friends, cooking, exercising, and volunteering.  Well I have no friends, no where to cook, very limited time to exercise (no f*cking bike to ride), and I'm trying to find some volunteer work now. 

I've been trying to write this post for DAYS now, but I'm so far down even vegweb seems like a chore.  Please give me some advice!

((((((((((((((((((ashleykimball)))))))))))))))))))))

I am so sorry to hear you are having friend-finding difficulties.  :'(  I would be your friend!  I had a similar problem in grad school.  I don't really have any good advice for you, though.  I just got a job, focused on school, and looked toward graduation when I could go home.  This was only for two years though, not like undergrad. 

The only thing I can suggest is to keep trying to meet random people.  Don't give up!  If it gets really bad, maybe you could transfer to another place you may like better... if that is an option.

Sorry I can't help more.

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when someone tells another person your a vegan and someone confronts you over it say, "And? So? Is there a problem of some kind. I'm very proud of being one."

Anybody says anything about your shoes," Say thanks for your opinion but I suggest you worry about yourself." That's horrible.

If anybody mentions "malnutrition?" say, "Who has that? Not me far from it." Try to avoid a discussion about it specifically with people who you know do it just to bother you.

About the friends part that's what's important to them. If all their conversations is about that try to change the subject.

For exercise just try walking if you like that.

For cooking try to get a hot plate or try to get one of those big like toasters ovens. I don't remember what they are called not the regular toaster ovens well that to if you want to get that. There are some even bigger than that.

Or try to get a microwave if your allowed on any of them. In a microwave you can cook pretty good and you can bake baked goods in there.

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ashley, we're two peas in a pod! I've experienced the exact same thing, and I'm struggling right now to reach out to people. it's what I'm lacking - a real community and group of friends that I feel comfortable, accepted, and valued in. I've met some GREAT people recently though (some vegans!) - which gives me hope. I know it's not a lost cause - I'm not destined to wander alone aimlessly for the rest of my life.

here's what you should do: transfer to my school. it's the university of western ontario, in london ontario. you can take whatever you want here... and we can bake cookies together and take lots of food porn photos!

in all seriousness though, I really feel for what you're going through. my first year at university was... in a sense horrible because I didn't feel like I could reach out to others. I don't have a clear solution for you, unfortunately. just try to stay in contact with those you think would be worthwhile to hang out with (the enviro and gay/straight alliance students). maybe, get busy with what they're into, and you'll all be busy together.

it does take work - value the time you spend with (real) people. make sure they know that you value their time, that you're interested in them, and that you care about what they care about. connect on that level, and hopefully some real friendships will form.

hope that helps, and good luck. 

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ashley, we're two peas in a pod! I've experienced the exact same thing, and I'm struggling right now to reach out to people. it's what I'm lacking - a real community and group of friends that I feel comfortable, accepted, and valued in. I've met some GREAT people recently though (some vegans!) - which gives me hope. I know it's not a lost cause - I'm not destined to wander alone aimlessly for the rest of my life.

here's what you should do: transfer to my school. it's the university of western ontario, in london ontario. you can take whatever you want here... and we can bake cookies together and take lots of food porn photos!

in all seriousness though, I really feel for what you're going through. my first year at university was... in a sense horrible because I didn't feel like I could reach out to others. I don't have a clear solution for you, unfortunately. just try to stay in contact with those you think would be worthwhile to hang out with (the enviro and gay/straight alliance students). maybe, get busy with what they're into, and you'll all be busy together.

it does take work - value the time you spend with (real) people. make sure they know that you value their time, that you're interested in them, and that you care about what they care about. connect on that level, and hopefully some real friendships will form.

hope that helps, and good luck. 

i agree with laura. it sounds like a pretty awful place, but i have been around a lot of people like that in my life as well so i know how it can be. generally, there are other people that are like you but sometimes they can be REALLY hard to find.
(((ashley))))

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I transferred from a super-hippy college to... this one. I'm in California, so that's cool, but it's been harder to make friends. Mentioning I'm vegan no longer wins me instant friends (gosh darn those hippies at school, they spoiled me!). I'm pretty sure everyone thinks I'm weird, but this semester is better than last (last semester was my first). Last semester, my roommate myspace-stalked me and found out I was bi and never acted the same around me again (like I really would like ANYONE just because I'm bi, let alone my own roommate who chews with her mouth open and vomits every weekend from alcohol abuse! )

Anyway, my point is, I just faced it: I'm weird (I didn't think "freak," lol). And damnit, I found other weird people to commiserate with at my last school, there are bound to be some here. I gave up just being antisocial because other things wouldn't work and was just me. Me, with every t-shirt having an animal rights message; me who leaflets the dining commons with Why Vegans at lunch; me who doesn't give a damn if you know my orientation. And now I have a few friends, not a ton, but I like to keep it that way.

Avoiding admitting you're vegan or your thoughts on that stuff (animal rights, health, social issues, etc), will at best win you acquaintances, but not friends. How can you really be friends with someone if you guard and hide some of your sincerest beliefs? How do you eat someone without them noticing it's always tofu? I say stop wallowing in misery, get angry, and be YOU. There may be not one person on your campus who would agree with your beliefs, but there are people who like people with a cause, people with their own beliefs, people who are honest about just being themselves. You'll find them if you don't lurk in the shadows, and you might even wind up making a vegetarian! (I did).

As far as talking about this stuff with other people, well, I haven't read that "Vegan Freak" book, but I do recommend "How to Win Friends and Influence People" for being persuasive but friendly. Old book, people will probably think you're even weirder for reading it, but tons of stuff in there works. For me, one of the most important things to remember is not to be on the defense when someone asks you about it, no matter how they ask you. Be positive and informative, regardless of what kind of sneer they might have  ;D If they're trying to be rude, being defensive is exactly where they want you. Even if they have a bad attitude, they're asking you for a reason: they're curious, even if it's curiosity mixed with apparent disdain.

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What will you be majoring in? Perhaps you can make contact with others majoring in that subject and find common ground. When I first went off to college, I went from a high school graduating class of 13 (brand new private school where my mother was teaching) to a freshman class of over 1,000. Boy, was I lost. I hated it. We were on the quarter system at that time and I decided to return home spring quarter to attend a college in my home town so at least I'd be close to the family that loved me. Just before that actually happened, I found my niche when I decided on my major.

Hang in there. If you're having trouble making friends on campus, are there any opportunities in the town/city where your school is located? You are amazingly creative with your cooking. Try to find a way to do some cooking. Is it possible for you to get an apartment or a room with kitchen privileges in someone's house rather than living in a dorm? At least you wouldn't be surrounded by people whose main interests are "hot John" and hair straighteners. Cooking seems to be theraputic for you. That might be the key. You need to cook, girl! (And make sure to keep up with your meds.)

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I think a lot of people tend to talk about "boys and straighteners" when they first meet each other so they can seem normal.  I know I don't really have any interest in talking about hot boys, but have done it with girls I just met to break the ice.  Eventually, you move past that talk and find out exactly how weird people really are.  I think everyone has a deeper level, sometimes it's hard to see when you first meet people.  You just have to wait for that one strange comment to slip out of their mouths and then run with it. They will be your new friend.

I hung out in very general large groups my first semester and then slowly selected out the few that I deemed cool (weird) enough to tolerate me on a daily basis and made them my friends.  Ask someone if they want to have lunch with you or study with you...things you know people HAVE to make time for anyway, they might as well do it with you.

If nothing else, do you have a job?  For some reason work friends are some of the best, at least you know you have SOMETHING in common (you all come to the same place every day, probably deal with the same people, etc.)

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It's a 5,000 kid (and I say KIDS because that's all I've met so far.....) private school in a 3 traffic light town.  Ohio Northern University.  I'm majoring in Pharmacy because I freaking abhor our country's manditory drug animal testing and i want to DO something about it.  I think the best way to accomplish this is becoming a respected professional and turn the field upside down.  I chose to come here because I got a NICE scholarship and it's a great pharmacy school.  Now I am seriously considering transferring somewhere else.  The kicker is my family is lower middle class, so I depend on scholarships and old fashion work to foot the tuition bill.  Very little government aid for our social caste.  I need to get a scholarship to somehwere else before I can transfer. 

I can't move off campus to somewhere with a KITCHEN until i have senior standing, which is 300 credit hours or something.  The dorm I live in now has a small little kitchen area with a stove/oven/sink, but ****s TRASH it and i don't want to scrub down it down everytime I feel like cooking (which is getting rarer and rarer the sadder I become.  This is just bad people).  I made a sign and put it up in the kitchen that politely said: "quit being disgusting omni *******s and clean up after your spoiled-@ss selves"  And I talked to the RA's here.  And I talked to a some people i catch leaving messes.  And it gets no where. 

I have packed allll my cooking stuff into a box once and schlept it across campus to another dorm to use their kitchenette area.  That was pretty successful and I might do that more in the future.  I sincerely thank you for all the suggestions thus far!  I am taking notes lol.

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(((((ashley)))) ((((laura)))) ((((fauna))))  and anyone else who has crappy college experiences because of lame people

I commute to school, so I can't relate to the being totally alone/sans friends part, but I can relate to cliquiness-- grad school is full of cliques because I'm a student-at-large (read: can't decide what to do with my life) so I'm not part of the "clinical psych" crowd, or the "industrial/organizational psych" crowd, the "school psych", "neuropsych", nor the "counseling"... and since I don't live at the school and I rarely stay afterward, I'm just not around enough to make friends. 

Which is stinky, but also means I don't have to deal with the drama either.  But I just feel alone at school.  :(
anyway, I hope you find something to make this all better, or at least more manageable.

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It took me 2 years to make friends at my school.  Until then, I downloaded a lot of music, movies, and would sometimes have book day, which is where I would go to the library, pick out a book, take it to the coffee shop, read it, then take it back to the library in the same day.  Anyways, going to the coffee shop helped me meet other coffee regulars.  It quickly helped me realize that if i wanted to meet interesting people, I had to step out of my comfort zone, so what if i didnt like coffee, the weird people hung out at the coffee shop, so thats where i went.  i guess in such a small town there might not be somewhere like that, but find places where the more interesting, weirder people would go and go there.  Is there an outdoors club there?  I've met some neat people from the one at my school.

Alright, good luck, because college is so great once you get into the groove of things and then its over before you know it!  I still can't believe I finished college, man, it went by so fast!  Right when I got into the swing of things too.  heh.  OH that reminds me, freshman!  It's always great when freshmen come into the school, more possiblities.  Also, one of my best friends at college was actually a townie, who would of thought there would have been such an awesome vegan straight edge kid in a town of 2000.  My roomate and I found him on myspace.  Theres always a possiblity!!  Also, if you live relatively close to a neat city, make plans to go there.  If your weeks suck, its always great to look forward to that trip to the city.  My school was an hour and a half from pittsburgh, we'd go there all the time.

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It's a 5,000 kid (and I say KIDS because that's all I've met so far.....) private school in a 3 traffic light town.  Ohio Northern University.  I'm majoring in Pharmacy because I freaking abhor our country's manditory drug animal testing and i want to DO something about it.  I think the best way to accomplish this is becoming a respected professional and turn the field upside down.  I chose to come here because I got a NICE scholarship and it's a great pharmacy school.  Now I am seriously considering transferring somewhere else.  The kicker is my family is lower middle class, so I depend on scholarships and old fashion work to foot the tuition bill.  Very little government aid for our social caste.  I need to get a scholarship to somehwere else before I can transfer. 

I can't move off campus to somewhere with a KITCHEN until i have senior standing, which is 300 credit hours or something.  The dorm I live in now has a small little kitchen area with a stove/oven/sink, but ****s TRASH it and i don't want to scrub down it down everytime I feel like cooking (which is getting rarer and rarer the sadder I become.  This is just bad people).  I made a sign and put it up in the kitchen that politely said: "quit being disgusting omni *******s and clean up after your spoiled-@ss selves"  And I talked to the RA's here.  And I talked to a some people i catch leaving messes.  And it gets no where. 

I have packed allll my cooking stuff into a box once and schlept it across campus to another dorm to use their kitchenette area.  That was pretty successful and I might do that more in the future.  I sincerely thank you for all the suggestions thus far!  I am taking notes lol.

I can relate. My first school was in the middle of the woods. Literally. It was technically a part of the neighboring town, but you had to drive about 3 miles through the woods to get there. We had a communal kitchen for the hall, but it was always a mess, tons of dishes, backed up sinks, and we couldn't store any food there because it would get stolen (I made split pea soup when I was sick that looked absolutely disgusting , finished it at 1 am, and when i woke up at 7 am it was about 3/4 gone. thank you, stoners.). Oddly enough, that was the school I made friends at, and I found a baking-buddy in my dorm, plus her roommate who would eat every thing I made, regardless of how weird and "vegan" it was.

I'm here (diff school) now because of scholarship. The old woods-school was too expensive, so I moved back to my state with the benefit of UC scholarships and cal grant. The. only. reason. why. I'm. here. But I've learned to deal with it; it's pretty depressing at first that you're going to spend 4 years of your life somewhere just because of money, not because you liked it or have friends there or it's close to home. (this cliche is just so useful:) Do what you love, love what you do. You have to learn to like it, but do that by finding things to do that you enjoy. If there's no gym, maybe you can take up jogging. If it's in a teeny town, there's bound to be wilderness somewhere (find it!). When comes time, go make an ass out of yourself in the snow... maybe it was just because I'm an L.A. kid, but snowmen and snowangels and snowballs never lose their magical appeal. Make the microwave brownies and cake from this site  :D

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I've always had that same problem.  I think in college I realized the key.  Middle Ground.  But...I also realized that I was going to have to be the one to reach out.  I was very negative and saw myself as different than everyone.  I had a roommate from LA who pretty much watched tv/movies all the time.  I HATE HATE HATE tv, but I realized if I wanted to bond with her, I would have to go to her.  I started watching her favorite shows with her and we found common ground.  That was like 5 years ago and we still talk.  I think being social means taking a giant step out of your comfort zone.  Not easy, but once I became more accepting of everyone, it became easier to make friends.

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Anyways, going to the coffee shop helped me meet other coffee regulars.  It quickly helped me realize that if i wanted to meet interesting people, I had to step out of my comfort zone, so what if i didnt like coffee, the weird people hung out at the coffee shop, so thats where i went.  i guess in such a small town there might not be somewhere like that, but find places where the more interesting, weirder people would go and go there. 

yes! having a routine really helps build a sense of belonging - when you see the same people at about the same time. so true!

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I've always had that same problem.  I think in college I realized the key.  Middle Ground.  But...I also realized that I was going to have to be the one to reach out.  I was very negative and saw myself as different than everyone.  I had a roommate from LA who pretty much watched tv/movies all the time.  I HATE HATE HATE tv, but I realized if I wanted to bond with her, I would have to go to her.  I started watching her favorite shows with her and we found common ground.  That was like 5 years ago and we still talk.  I think being social means taking a giant step out of your comfort zone.  Not easy, but once I became more accepting of everyone, it became easier to make friends.

I can really relate to that; stepping out of one's comfort zone.  It's so hard!!  And sometimes I feel stupid for things I say or do, and I wonder if the other person thinks of me that way... but I've found that most often, especially in one-on-one situations, both parties are equally nervous.  Perhaps for different reasons, but still. 

and if that isn't true, at least it helps me reach out by thinking that way!

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Best wishes. 

Advice from your neighborhood RN:  Perhaps a visit to your MD is in order?  Many times during these depressive episodes an antidepressant has to be added to the regimine of bipolar meds if they are ineffective in controlling the deep lows. 

Hang in there.

I've always been the freak myself so I can relate how hard it is to reach out.

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Freshman year is a nightmare, esp. the first semester!! You're trying to find your way in a new environment, you don't have your old network in place, esp. if you travelled far from home. Give yourself time. It's not you--YOU are not the target. Everyone around you is trying to do the same thing, be an adult and some are trying so hard to be "cooler than thou" that they end up being pathetic. I know you don't want to hear this, but it takes time.
I had an advisor who wanted me to be Die Wunderkind; I entered college at a small midwestern university at the ripe old age of just barely 16. I couldn't even go out for a beer with my roomie! So advisor makes me take all these exams to get Gen Ed credits, so by my 3rd semester I'm like a college junior credit wise. Oh, this made me friends in the dorm--not. He also had me carrying 21 to 24 credit hours a term.  If I had to do it over again I'd take it easy. I had a nervous breakdown in the process--just too much going on in my life at once. Live your youth. Life is not a dress rehearsal. Take it as it comes and do the best you can without sacrificing who you are. All these posers will eventually have to settle down to work, and drop the camouflage (sp?). Things will get easier, and you will eventually meet and bond with classmates, club friends or whoever. It WILL get better.

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{{{AK}}}

Keep your chin up...you're great just the way you are, and if your schoolmates aren't receptive, then they're the ones with issues. I wouldn't worry about what superficial, vapid airheads think. Being a vegan can be lonely a lot of times, whether you're in school or not. I was just saying to my hubby last night that I wish I had some vegan friends to share dinner with, or just talk to. Then I realized that I'm going to have to get proactive if I'm going to find any. So I've decided to look into and reach out to community groups...in RI there is RIVA (Rhode Island Vegan Awareness) that has group picnics/meals every few months. Even though I'm really really shy, I'm going to try and go next time they have something. Maybe there is a vegan group somewhere near your school? (By "near" I mean, relatively near, since I know you're in a small town). And stay in touch with your VegWeb friends...we're all here for you, and each other. We've got to stick together!!  :)

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I guess I was really lucky -- when I went to University all my friends were vegan freaks!

I mostly met people when shopping for groceries and via animal rights activism.

Wish you luck AK. Hang in there.

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*hugs*

Do things you like to do.  If that is exercise, take a walk.  Join the local Freecycle list and acquire a bike!  Take up a hobby like knitting or crochet or beading that makes you happy and gives you good handmade goodies.  Find places you like to go; the library, the gym, the bench under a lovely tree. 

Cook!  Clean up that kitchen by doing the least amount of work.  Take the dirty dishes and put them in an empty trash can, dirty still!  Leave them there with a note: You make it messy you clean it or it gets trashed!  Take OVER that kitchen.  So that you can go in with a squirt bottle of cleanser, rag and your supplies and be cooking in 10 minutes.  Freecycle again for a mini fridge, hotplate, toaster oven.  Cook in your room (if allowed!).  Store your food in your room under a lock so that anyone wandering in roommate or just random cant steal your stash.  Offer up plates of cookies or mini bread loaves or cupcakes without mentioning that they are vegan.

If you are going places you like, doing things you like, you will find others their or they will gravitate to you because its what they like.  Find things that make you happy and chat up people at the health food store or local grocery store.  Be yourself.  Most of all, take care of yourself.

*Hugs*

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I found these resources in Ohio:

http://www.vegohio.com/organizations.asp

but I think only one of them is close to you--the one in Findlay?

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