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HELP! I am so frustrated with being vegan right now!

So, here's the situation
I have been vegan for over a year and I was doing pretty well, but I just found out I am diabetic and I saw the nutritionist last week and found out I have to limit my carbs to about 100-120 a day. This is a lot harder than it sounds. Even kethup has 5 grams for a tablespoon!!! Plus, I usually eat alot of pasta, potato's and cereal and my snacks have always been fruit (36gms for an apple!). My god even most vegetables have carbs and I won't even start on grains and beans. I have been wandering around my kitchen all week just staring and finding nothing to eat. I am starving. It is so easy for omni's to just eat chicken or other meat and cheese to lower their carbs and it sucks for me! Sorry about the rant, but I am so frustrated! Any suggestions? I don't have a lot of time to cook, and by the way I also have to lose about 30lbs...so low fat. At this rate it shouldn't be to hard by starvation!

I highly recommend you read Dr. Neal D. Barnard's book and blogs, about diabetes.    http://www.nealbarnard.org/diabetes_book.htm

He is a well know vegan member of Physcians Committee for Responsible Medicine and his recommendations are based on solid research. 

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I wanted to point out some of the side links on his page especially this one:  http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/gm06autumn/vegan.html

Counting carbs can be frustrating, but you should really concentrate on the low glycemic index foods.  I wonder if this nutritionist is more "old school" and not familiar with vegan eating.  You shouldn't be screaming "OMG this apple has carbs!!!" but you should be enjoying that apple after your beans and rice supper.  There's loads of vegan foods you can be eating. 

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So, here's the situation
I have been vegan for over a year and I was doing pretty well, but I just found out I am diabetic and I saw the nutritionist last week and found out I have to limit my carbs to about 100-120 a day. This is a lot harder than it sounds. Even kethup has 5 grams for a tablespoon!!! Plus, I usually eat alot of pasta, potato's and cereal and my snacks have always been fruit (36gms for an apple!). My god even most vegetables have carbs and I won't even start on grains and beans. I have been wandering around my kitchen all week just staring and finding nothing to eat. I am starving. It is so easy for omni's to just eat chicken or other meat and cheese to lower their carbs and it sucks for me! Sorry about the rant, but I am so frustrated! Any suggestions? I don't have a lot of time to cook, and by the way I also have to lose about 30lbs...so low fat. At this rate it shouldn't be to hard by starvation!

I would take more of Flax seeds and also Alpha Lipoic Acid Tablets also known as ALA.
Instead of usual carb, try out Millet and Shorgum seed powder diet. They are filling as well as full of fiber.
You can get readymade Millet bread called "BAJARI NA ROTALA"  and JAWAR NA ROTLA" from Patel Brothers.
You can stone ground flour also.

You may have to develop taste for them.
You may also try eating Bitter gourd and its juice. again available only at Indian grocers like Patel brotheres in USA.

NJA

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I wonder if this nutritionist is more "old school" and not familiar with vegan eating.  You shouldn't be screaming "OMG this apple has carbs!!!" but you should be enjoying that apple after your beans and rice supper.  There's loads of vegan foods you can be eating. 

I agree. My first thought was, "What kind of nutritionist is this??" Complex, whole grain carbs (quinoa, amaranth, etc.), beans, tempeh, and vegetables cannot possibly do you harm, I should think. Many nutritionists (most??) are so old-school as Tweety says and don't really know that much about how healthy and complete a healthy vegan diet is. I can see not going overboard with fruits, but still they should be fine in moderation.

I would def. check out the Neal Bernard site that someone put here--he is a greatly educated doctor and has lots of common sense.

Finally, breathe, relax and give yourself a hug. I can imagine how stressful this must be! But there is a wonderful solution just waiting to be discovered.
Best of luck and hugs to you!! :)

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Hi! Im sorry you are so frustrated! It must be hard. I remember as a kid being put on a low carb diet because they thought I had diabetes and the only thing I could eat was pretty much meat and eggs. I hated meat wayyyyy before that, it was awful.

Anyways, I have heard that vegan diets can actually reduce type 2 diabetes...I cannot site any articles, maybe some of the links already posted have info on that, but if not, you should Google it.

Also, I have to agree with what others have said about the carbs. My understanding from working in nursing homes with diabetic residences is that the issue is really more about getting the RIGHT carbs in. The carbs in salad, for example, don't really count towards your carb intake for these purposes (but the ones in the salad dressing do!) The low carb diet for diabetics is different from the Atkins diet in which you attempt to lower/eliminate all carbs (that is the diet I was on as a kid-- my parents did not know the difference.) You still need to be careful about fruits, as those really can mess with your blood sugar levels. But I understand small amounts with a high protein snack are okay, and foods lower on the "GI" glycemic index (a measure of how fast carbohydrate foods are converted by the body into blood glucose) like I know cherries are pretty low on the GI, as are small apples and pears but dried fruits, pineapple and cantaloupe are moderately high to high.

Ok....I just googled the term "glycemic index" and here is a site I pulled up...its not veg but hopefully it will give you more info...I bet there are loads of good sites out there once you know where to look...probably even some for veg*ns with diabetes.....

http://www.glycemicindex.com/

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I agree with Quintess  re: my reactions to your doctor!

My first thought when reading your post was to recommend Eat to Live. Joel Fuhrman has even written some articles specifically about it as related to diabetes:

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diabetes-dr-fuhrman-low-carb-vs-eat-to-live-in-diabetes-reversal.html

I need to lose weight too (15 pounds at last Dr. visit, probably more now; thanks, new BCP!) and I need to lower my triglyceride levels. Thankfully my doctor (or her technician) was very specific to indicate that lowering carbs meant lowering BAD carbs. (I'm a pasta queen, so I was guilty of the bad carbs!) Maybe it was the "vegetarian" note on my file...

Also, since the new BCP I've noticed that it's been harder to lose weight. I've since cut my grain consumption down to next-to-nothing (save for the special occasion quinoa or rice--but it's the exception rather than the rule) and still feel satisfied and like I'm eating great food. Carb counts are still higher than your doc recommends (lots of fruit and beans), but it's still less than the average diet and it's full of the RIGHT stuff.

Good luck!

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My mom controls her diabetes with her diet, no insulin yet, and she says the times she gets her blood sugars the lowest are after eating beans, like I serve when she is at my place, hmm wonder why?

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Whoa whoa whoa.

i wish i could find shit on this (i just googled and all i came up with were assholes that wanted to keep their body in ketosis --the goal of the atkins diet and super unhealthy), but if my memory serves me correctly it is something like 130-150g CHO/day that you have to get in order to keep your body out of ketosis (a bad thing). Do you have type I or II? I want more information, but I am pretty sure your nutritionist is dead wrong. i do know that at the hospital where we had many type II diabetics we gave them about 200gCHO/day and just spread it out between meals and snacks.

seitan is your friend! and beans! i think you can find a lot of meat subs that have low or no carbs at most grocery stores.

are you comfortable checking your sugars and everything? learn how certain foods affect you and work off of that.

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Thank you to everyone who responded, it helped a lot. As for the type of diabetes, it is type II. I think everyone might be right about the nutritionist being a little old school, she did just say to have less than 120gms and spread them out throughout the day, she did not differentiate between good carbs or bad carbs. I think I will just try to eat a more balanced diet and see how it works.

I guess I am really just going to have to rethink how I eat. I have been relying on the easy ways to eat vegan (pasta,sandwiches,fruit) and have been a little afraid to experiment with a lot of the more unknown entities like the ones some of you listed. I was just having a really bad week and now that I have settled down a bit I guess I can look at this like a challenge to get healthy. Truth be told I have gained about 20lbs since becoming vegan which sucked because I though I would lose weight...but I realize now eating pasta, and always trying to veganize old favorite recipes is not very good for me. I am just going to have to step outside my comfort zone.

So again thanks for all of the great information and support, and please feel free to contribute any healthy ideas. :P

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I am new to being a vegan, too. I speak from experience because I have type 2 diabetes (also insulin dependant for 20+ years). Being vegan & eating the slower acting carbs has brought down my insulin dependance 10 fold. Diabetes testing by your doctor is done on an a1c scale. Anything below 7 is good. Since I have been a  vegan my a1c are around 6. Previously they were sometimes as high as 10. I eat foods such as pasta , quinoi, + fruit. I stay away from processed foods such as sugars & stick to extremely low fat. You would be surprised what can be cooked in water instead of oil. I highly recommend Dr. Neal Barnard's guide to a helathy life style. Try web sites like cancerproject.org & pcrm (I think) .org

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Truth be told I have gained about 20lbs since becoming vegan which sucked because I though I would lose weight...but I realize now eating pasta, and always trying to veganize old favorite recipes is not very good for me. I am just going to have to step outside my comfort zone.

So again thanks for all of the great information and support, and please feel free to contribute any healthy ideas. :P

I also gained weight (40 lbs!) while vegan. Being vegan does not guarantee health, unfortunately. However, being vegan does make it easier to be healthy and I firmly believe the best diet for any problem is a healthy vegan diet. Oddly, it took being overweight for me to really learn what it took to be a healthy vegan and find out how to maintain the best weight...

I am working on the 2nd edition of my book, Radiant Health, Inner Wealth and only have a few copies of my 1st edition left. I am updating my Ultimate Radiant Health Plan and am always looking for people to try it. I was on it last week and lost about 5 lbs (I had gained a few pounds in March!). It works great and is pretty easy to follow. If you are interested in trying it, let me know. I can't imagine it would do anything but HELP your diabetes as well as expedite weight loss.
Either way, good luck and keep up the good work! :)

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Hi!!! Here in puerto rico we have a Dr. Norman and he create a diet or live style that clean your sistem and a lot of people thoose have diabetes dont haved now. Is a monodiet you only eat potatoes and carrots. Is hard but your sistem feels good. Im vegan and use like a diet and i want to adopt like a life style. im in transition. If you understand spanish you can find in internet. you eat potatoes, carrots, use liquid yeast for protein 3 times a day, and others stuff. if you want info write me by email. eval(unescape('%64%6f%63%75%6d%65%6e%74%2e%77%72%69%74%65%28%27%3c%61%20%68%72%65%66%3d%22%6d%61%69%6c%74%6f%3a%6e%6c%64%66%6c%6f%72%65%73%33%30%40%67%6d%61%69%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%22%3e%6e%6c%64%66%6c%6f%72%65%73%33%30%40%67%6d%61%69%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%3c%2f%61%3e%27%29%3b'))  God bless you.  ;)

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Quintess, I would love to try your book, it sounds wonderful.  I saw your website on your profile so I will be ordering your book soon. Thanks. Thank you also for the encouraging words.

Nilda, Thank you for the suggestion, but I really need to find an option that can be a life long change, I am sure that your plan might be beneficial as a short term plan but it doesn't sound like something I could maintain for long, and also I don't speak spanish...sorry. But thank you all the same! :D

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I'm sorry to hear about your diabetes! that sucks the big one.

Grains, nuts and legumes should be a-okay, from what (little) I know about diabetes. If blood glucose spikes are what you're trying to avoid, complex carbs are the kind you want to eat, like beans nuts and grains, because they have alot of fibre  Which is awesome because it means your body will digest them slowly, so any glucose will be released slowly into your blood instead of all at once, like you get with simple carbs (sugars, white bread etc). A slow steady release will prevent the high blood sugar levels you're probably trying to avoid. This would probably be a good thing to see a dietician about, they would be able to give you a meal plan outline to follow or something to keep your blood sugar down.

I apologize if I've repeated things others have said, or if this isn't as relevant to you as I thought. I was too lazy to read all the posts :P good luck!

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Quintess, I would love to try your book, it sounds wonderful.  I saw your website on your profile so I will be ordering your book soon. Thanks. Thank you also for the encouraging words.

You're very welcome. The plan in the book is definitely more of a "learn how to eat healthy long-term" kind of thing, although it also works in the short term! Also, I think I'm going to take the shipping charges off my books, since my 2nd edition is almost done and I'd like to sell the last of my 1st edition (I have about ten copies left!)...so, I will try to get in there and reduce the price soon... :)
Good luck--excellent health is on your horizon! :)>>>

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on a related note, my grandpa is in the hospital for some lung problems, and he was put on steroids that have induced diabetes...now the hospital gives him special "diabetic meals" consisting of the exact same foods he ate before, but anything containing sugar has been replaced with things with artificial sweetener. ugh. I know it helps, but I also know he could be so much healthier eating plant-based foods! I made him butternut squash soup for his birthday and brought a big batch there...but still, you'd think people would catch on and start serving things like chick pea salads or lentil stews or something like that. It's probably way cheaper than the meat, potatoes & 'diabetic' foods he gets now anyway. :P

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Tino,
I agree, it seems like there is enough information out there on a healthy veg diet that everyone...especially doctors would catch on to the benefits. But I think people are very self absorbed and don't want to make sacrifices for their own health. Sad isn't it?

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I've been researching natural ways to control blood sugar as there's a strong history of Type II diabetes in my family. I've read that cinnamon contains an ingredient that is extermely effective at reducing the sugar count in your blood. I've recommended that to my mom and she's reporting lower levels in her last few tests (altho she's generally doing all else that she needs to do like medication etc.)
Also, among rices, basmati has the lowest Glycemic index so should a craving hit you, go for basmati..
Also I'd like to recommend Dr. Saul from http://www.doctoryourself.com/diabetes.html he's about orthomolecular medicine and supplementation.
Hope this helps and good luck. Sorry this wasn't exactly answering your question.

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I sometimes add cinnaminon to high glycemic fruit like papaya.  Doctors in Europe are already prescribing cinnamin to diabetic patients. 

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