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do you buy bread that contains Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate?

i know that this stuff can be animal or vegetable derived.  and i usually just avoid it.  but it is in LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE bread that's at the grocery store.  like, serioulsy, every single one i've ever checked.  and i can't afford to buy $5 loaves of bread at the HFS.  anyway, i usually make my own bread, but i wanted to get some rye to make ruebens with.  naturally, it has this in it.  i do not have the patience to make my own rye bread.  no way.

whaddya think?

I don't eat bread for a number of reasons except if its the $5 health food store brand which I know doesn't have any crap in it.
Would you eat the grocery store rye with SSL in it? If not or if you'd only eat a few slices then I'd say no. Do you have a bakery in town that bakes their bread fresh from scratch? That would be an option.

But me personally, I wouldn't buy any bread if it had any bad crap in it.

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I have never  heard of this ingredient. What is it?

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I wouldn't.  It contains both stearic and lactic acid.

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I do not. I suck it up and buy the $5 loaves at the hfs.

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Probably the sandwich bread my bf uses has it (though it doesn't otherwise contain milk, eggs, or honey). I buy $5 loaves of locally made bread at the coop or $4 loaves of sliced whole wheat italian bread at the grocery store -- both of which have about 5 ingredients. They last me a while though -- and I get a 26% discount at the coop.

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No. You should be able to find some at local bakeries (which we can get from our organic market). I usually buy a sourdough loaf for 3.80, and a daily wheat for 2.99. Flour, water, wheat, salt, wheat gluten...these are the only ingredients I see. Or, I just make my own.

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What is sodium stearoyl lactylate?

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That is what I am waiting to here!

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Rye bread isn't that hard to make! I'll dig up a recipe for ya after my morning classes, AP. I don't really eat bread in the summer b/c it's too hot to bake and I like to make my own, but it's getting chilly... which means it's time for me to start baking!

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Quote:
Lactylates

Calcium Stearoyl-2 Lactylate

The calcium salt of the stearic acid ester of lactyl lactate. (Dictionary) Improves the mixing properties of flour and the gas-holding properties of dough, and thus allows larger, lighter loaves to be made. Also used to improve the whipping and baking properties of egg whites, and as an emulsifier in packet mixes. (Guide)

Calcium Stearoyl Lactylate

See Calcium Stearoyl-2 Lactylate. (Dictionary)

Sodium Stearoyl-2 Lactylate

Used as an emulsifier, plasticizer, or surface-action agent in . (Dictionary)

Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate

See Lactic Acid. (Dictionary)

Sodium Isostearoyl Lactylate

See Stearic Acid and Lactic Acid. (Dictionary) Stearic acid can be found in both vegetable oils and animal fats and oils, so neither it nor lactic acid is intrinsically a dairy product.

JCN's Kashrut Q&A Forum's Rabbi J. Schonberger says,"After checking around, I have discovered that sodium lactylate is not derived from lactose, and is pareve."

The ubiquitous Rabbi Eidlitz says of Calcium Stearoyl Lactylate, "Use: as a dough conditioner, whipping agent and as a conditioner in dehydrated potatoes. Requires kosher supervision."

Rabbi Eidlitz says much the same of a Calcium Sterol Lactylate, although he gives milk or soybeans as a source, but I cannot find any reference to it anywhere else. Similarly, he mentions a Stearyl Lactylic Acid, of which he says "Requires Kosher supervision. (Kosher forms are often dairy.)" (Dictionary) mentions a Lactylic Stearate that is a salt of Stearic Acid. That's as close as I can come.

Note that FAAN (The Food Allergy & Anaphylaxis Network) says of calcium and sodium stearyol lactylate: "They do not contain milk protein and need not be restricted by someone avoiding milk."

Can this additive be found in parve foods?  Yes.
Chances it will ever contain lactose?  Slim. (????? - that's from me, AP)
Should it be avoided if you are mildly allergic?  Probably not.

i also looked up a lot of other site and they said that the kind used in bread usually comes from plant sources (also that the only lactic acid that is animal derived is used EXCLUSIVELY in milk/ice cream products...so when you see lactic acid on a bottle of olives, it's plant derived).  so that's why i was wondering.  i mean, i'll make my own if i get a decent recipe, but i already bought a loaf of rye that i'm going to use until it's gone (no use throwing out a $3 loaf of bread, in my book...if i didn't know it had MILK or EGGS or something like that in it, then i would throw it out).  anyway.  just wondering.  there's a bakery at the grocery store, but they add all that crap to their bread too...it's on the labels.  the only other bakery really just makes muffins and pies.

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I'm kind of a failure as a bread baker myself :(  and I distrust products with a bunch of ingredients that sound that chemistry experiments.  So my solution is sprouted grain bread from Food For Life.  Delicioso! and no hidden animal products!

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I think this is one of those items that every vegan has to draw their line in the sand over.  If you have the time, energy and skills to bake your own bread from your homegrown wheat berries then do so.  If you have to buy bread on a budget and can only find the kind with additives in them that have a slim chance of being animal derived then you do what you can.  It doesnt make either person better or worse of a vegan, it just means you have set the boundaries on what you can and cannot do to live in a very non-vegan world.

The only perfect vegan is a dead vegan.  Preferably cremated and ashes sprinkled in a community garden plot with the organic veggies grown to feed the poor and cultivated by hand alone.

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Thank you ap... I was worried. I found a brand of cheap, fluffy whole wheat bread that has the stuff in it, and I'm glad it's not derived from animals. Phew.

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i never buy this, but i ALWAYS find one bread without it.  michael and i usually have to hunt for it.  i'll start at one end of the row, and he'll start at the other end, we'll just check them all.  its usually the cheapest brands that dont have it and the most expensive brands that dont have it.  good luck!

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Well, i am still not sure whether it's of animal or plant origin. I have so much of doubts when I buy products in Canada as it doesn't mention clearly whether its Kosher, Halal or Vegetarian. In UK its a must to mention if it can be consumed by vegetarians. This simplifies the purchasing decision. I do not understand why can' consumer groups lobby for such act of parliament. I fear most producers for commercial gains do not mention in detail the actual ingredients especially the origin of them. They just mention some chemical names which are unheard of to the laymen.

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Well, i am still not sure whether it's of animal or plant origin. I have so much of doubts when I buy products in Canada as it doesn't mention clearly whether its Kosher, Halal or Vegetarian. In UK its a must to mention if it can be consumed by vegetarians. This simplifies the purchasing decision. I do not understand why can' consumer groups lobby for such act of parliament. I fear most producers for commercial gains do not mention in detail the actual ingredients especially the origin of them. They just mention some chemical names which are unheard of to the laymen.

yeah, i have a feeling that it's always a risk when you eat something with ingredients that you can't pronounce (i.e. scientific names).  as far as the s.s.l. goes though, i think the article i put in the thread said that if it's in a dairy product, it's animal derived, but if it's in some other type of product, the chances are slim that it's animal derived.  so i'd say your best bets would be to either buy expensive breads, tough it out and hope for the best that yours doesn't contain animal ingredients, or make your own bread.

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Hmm you have me wondering about this now. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that it's usually plant derived but I can't find that source anymore. It's worthy of noting that Subway gets it from a plant source:

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What is the origin of sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate and the mono- and diglycerides found in the bread?

These ingredients are plant-derived.

http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/menunutrition/nutrition/nutritionFAQs.aspx

I guess it depends on the supplier. This is something I'll have to look into.  ???

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I found a good blog about this that seems to indicate that it isn't of animal origin. I haven't looked into all the links yet but it's eased my mind a bit:

Planet Lactose Blog - Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate

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