would you eat meat if it were humanely raised and humanely slaughtered?
Posted by longer_look on Mar 04, 2010 · Member since Feb 2010 · 369 posts
if there is such a thing as "humanely slaughtered".
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I think this sort of hits on the PETA/KFC issue. KFC said they would slaughter chickens in a more human way (I am literally rolling my eyes right now), and PETA was happy and they came to an agreement in the public media. Doesn't this send the wrong message to the general public? I feel that if I weren't vegan and didn't know anything about it, I might assume that PETA just wants happy dying animals, and not that eating animals in general is wrong. Now KFC looks like it's cooperating with animal rights activists, and if they're cool with KFC, then it must be okay to eat there, right? It's just the wrong message to send to people that are already getting confusing, conflicting messages!
Just to clarify, animal rights arguments are different to animal interest arguments.
Regan is for animal rights.
Singer (as far as I'm aware) is not and avoids rights based terminology in most places (apart from where he talks about the argument from marginal cases).
Yes
I think this sort of hits on the PETA/KFC issue. KFC said they would slaughter chickens in a more human way (I am literally rolling my eyes right now), and PETA was happy and they came to an agreement in the public media. Doesn't this send the wrong message to the general public? I feel that if I weren't vegan and didn't know anything about it, I might assume that PETA just wants happy dying animals, and not that eating animals in general is wrong. Now KFC looks like it's cooperating with animal rights activists, and if they're cool with KFC, then it must be okay to eat there, right? It's just the wrong message to send to people that are already getting confusing, conflicting messages!
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Big problem!!!
Never ever- not even if someone paid me.
When I first learned where meat comes from (I became a veggie in elementary school) I said I don't want anyone eating my skin why should I eat someone else's?
There's no reason in the world to eat the flesh of anything. I really do think it promotes cannibalism. I will tell you why. If there was say a law saying no animal will be slaughtered for food anymore you don't think human cannibalism will be on the rise? There are people who are nuts in this world. People will do it for fun. That is why I say man cannot taste flesh. That is one of MANY reasons why veganism is better.
There's no reason in the world to eat meat. You have delicious absolutely scrumptious seitan, tempeh, and tofu that can be made into anything you want and it's much healthier to.
As one that has pet chickens, this is an absolute no. Farm animals have feelings, personalities, thoughts and love of their life. My sister, an omni, refuses to eat chicken now. She says everytime she tries to bite into a piece she sees Shirley (our little hen) go 'whoot, whoot, whoot'. Obviously, when properly introduced some people realize that animals have feelings and needs. Although, there are insensitive people that are fine with killing and eating an animal thereselves. These people also laugh when you even suggest that chickens, pigs, cows, cats and dogs are intelligent. I really hate it when people say this or that animal is the dumbest thing ever and don't even realize what planet they are on. My chickens have more thought in their head than this.
No way, no how, never never never. 'Nuff said.
Relevant article, about misleading 'humane' labels: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/03/10-6
Whenever I see pictures of chickens on farms, even in cage-free or free-range conditions, it make me cry. I think of my own three hens. What a horrible situation to live in. It is hard for people to imagine that animals are that crowded. Most recomendations for backyard raisers are 2 sq ft for every chicken in the hen house plus 4 sq ft for outdoor range. (Still way, way too little IMOO) Most chickens are lucky if they get 1 sq ft of floor space in a free-range facility. If a backyard chicken owner tried to do that they would be arrested for animal cruelty.
My list of conditions it would take for me to even possibly consider eating meat is longer than the list of non-meat foods I enjoy. So, uh, no. I mean, it would have to be environmentally friendly, not come from a sentient creature, not taste like meat, be affordable - basically, it'd have to be beans and greens, so why not just eat the beans and greens in the first place?
Whenever I see pictures of chickens on farms, even in cage-free or free-range conditions, it make me cry. I think of my own three hens. What a horrible situation to live in. It is hard for people to imagine that animals are that crowded. Most recomendations for backyard raisers are 2 sq ft for every chicken in the hen house plus 4 sq ft for outdoor range. (Still way, way too little IMOO) Most chickens are lucky if they get 1 sq ft of floor space in a free-range facility. If a backyard chicken owner tried to do that they would be arrested for animal cruelty.
This brings up something I am terribly disturbed about. Why is okay for factory farmed animals to be treated so cruely, but if you were to treat a "pet" even half as cruely you would get arrested? Do cows feel less then dogs or cats? It is not fair, definatley not fair!
It disturbs me too. That is why I mentioned it. There is a double standard for agriculture. Animals are not considered anything more than a commodity by legal definition. There are only a few states that have passed even small standards about how much space chickens or other animals are to have in confinement. In most places, there is nothing. They can legally stuff any amount of chickens into a cage the size of a rabbit hutch. No one else would ever get away with this. If any one else decided to keep a dog in a closet or drown their rabbit, they would be arrested and through in prison for a few years (and rightfully, so).
I would never eat meat because eating blood nauseates me.
As one that has pet chickens, this is an absolute no. Farm animals have feelings, personalities, thoughts and love of their life. My sister, an omni, refuses to eat chicken now. She says everytime she tries to bite into a piece she sees Shirley (our little hen) go 'whoot, whoot, whoot'. Obviously, when properly introduced some people realize that animals have feelings and needs. Although, there are insensitive people that are fine with killing and eating an animal thereselves. These people also laugh when you even suggest that chickens, pigs, cows, cats and dogs are intelligent. I really hate it when people say this or that animal is the dumbest thing ever and don't even realize what planet they are on. My chickens have more thought in their head than this.
Love it. My pet chickens were the reason I stopped eating meat years ago. When I realized how lovely and beautiful they were, there was no way I could eat another soul. My parents couldn't get over the fact that they could tell the chickens apart just by how they acted--they all have such wonderful and bright personalities. They show happiness and joy. Everyone should experience the pure bliss a chicken feels when taking a dirt bath in the sunlight! We should all be so lucky.
i dont think i would. i mean really, lets not treat something horribly then kill it because thats wrong. instead we should be nice to it first then end its life.
One is clearly better then the other but they are both not so great in my opinion.
No
It still takes up a TON of resources (land, water, fuel) to grow and raise an animal, no matter how it is slaughtered. My reasons are not only for the animals, but also for the environment and for my health (the animal would still be full of cholesterol and fat-ick). The thought of chewing up flesh repulses me no matter what....so for many reasons, my answer is NO! :)
It still takes up a TON of resources (land, water, fuel) to grow and raise an animal, no matter how it is slaughtered. My reasons are not only for the animals, but also for the environment and for my health (the animal would still be full of cholesterol and fat-ick). The thought of chewing up flesh repulses me no matter what....so for many reasons, my answer is NO! :)
I'm glad you brought up the environmental costs. Good point. It's just so irresponsible to eat meat, on so many levels.
No. meat is gross. It is unhealthy for my body, the planet, the animals... Also, it isn't really possible to 'humanely' slaughter someone, (IMO, obviously). Murder is murder, whether or not the subject is 'stunned' or heavily sedated to be unconscious.
No. meat is gross. It is unhealthy for my body, the planet, the animals... Also, it isn't really possible to 'humanely' slaughter someone, (IMO, obviously). Murder is murder, whether or not the subject is 'stunned' or heavily sedated to be unconscious.
I don't know I think surreptitious killing if fairly humane, but I wouldn't say that's how the meat industry operates. And furthermore I think the threat of legalised surreptitious killing makes it unjustifiable. And there isn't much of a jump between killing non human animals and killing human animals. I'd appeal here to speciesism and the argument for marginal cases.
Murder is a legal term. So murder is murder...that's a tautology if there ever was one. The definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a life.
To leave it at killing is killing would leave it open to plants, which I don't think can feel pain, at all.
So I disagree morally with the killing of any sentient being where it is not done for survival, or in their own interests (euthanasia, putting animals out of their misery, etc.).
NEVER!
First, I don't believe that there is any such thing as "humanely slaughtered". If a murderer broke into your home in the middle of the night, how would he or she have to kill you to make it humane? The notion of humane slaughter is insane to me. And, if your next question is lab-created meat that never came from an actual living animal, the answer is, again, no. I don't eat Wonder bread (wonder what the hell it's made from...it never, ever goes bad), cheese in a can, or any other food whose ingredients I cannot identify.
Second, one of the reasons that I am vegan is for my health. No matter how the animal is killed, animal products are still loaded with saturated fat and cholesterol.
I think I'll stay veg, thank you.
NEVER!
First, I don't believe that there is any such thing as "humanely slaughtered". If a murderer broke into your home in the middle of the night, how would he or she have to kill you to make it humane? The notion of humane slaughter is insane to me. And, if your next question is lab-created meat that never came from an actual living animal, the answer is, again, no. I don't eat Wonder bread (wonder what the hell it's made from...it never, ever goes bad), cheese in a can, or any other food whose ingredients I cannot identify.
Second, one of the reasons that I am vegan is for my health. No matter how the animal is killed, animal products are still loaded with saturated fat and cholesterol.
I think I'll stay veg, thank you.
You feel that eating meat is definitely unhealthy when it isn't necessary?
I'm not sure (m)any respected biologists, nutritionists or dieticians would agree with you.
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