Marijuana
Posted by ledzepfan12 on Aug 26, 2009 · Member since Jan 2007 · 675 posts
What do you all think about it? I mean in general, your stance on drugs, if you smoke/ reasons you don't, etc. I really don't know what made me think of it, I just would like to know other peoples opinons of it. I was thinking of making it a pole, but I don't know how that would have worked out.
to put so much credence in scientific studies is to reveal how little you can think for yourself. Any study carries bias and places unknown factors on the test subjects which aren't measured or taken into account. i think it's good to read a study, think about it, and form your own opinion, not just take the study's results as fact. i know scientists would disagree, but that's what makes them scientists.
I never said anything about studies.
People disagree, and that's what makes us people. I disagree with you, ledzep, and others, so you're "the masses".
What is so freaking wrong with having a debate/disagreement?! I mean, really. Do you not have conversations in real life? THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE DEBATE BOARD. I would "report" an event thread in chitchat to have it moved to events. We have categories for a reason.
Don't post something controversial if you don't want a discussion about it.
I have no qualms about people who smoke, as long as it is done responsibly.
personally, i'd like to see people not do ANYTHING besides DRIVE (maybe fiddle with the radio or something) when they're driving. I'm less concerned about someone all high driving around then I am about some dumb girl trying to finish putting her makeup on in the rearview and talking on her cell phone.
Agreed.
Any study carries bias and places unknown factors on the test subjects which aren't measured or taken into account. i think it's good to read a study, think about it, and form your own opinion, not just take the study's results as fact. i know scientists would disagree, but that's what makes them scientists.
Also agreed. ledzep cited *quoted* text from pro-marijuana websites. I cited a meta-analysis of 60 different studies. If someone has a more legitimate source other than anecdotal evidence or just "how they feel" overall, I'd be happy to hear it.
The biology of how THC acts on your brain is pretty basic and understood. To compare THC to sugar or herbs is absurd and ignorant.
I would suggest you read the details of some of the studies out there. That's what I was doing this afternoon when the topic arose. They explain their methods, their controls, their statistical analysis methods. I am a big believer in questioning the validity of a study--that's why I joined this discussion in the first place.
Also agreed. ledzep cited *quoted* text from pro-marijuana websites. I cited a meta-analysis of 60 different studies. If someone has a more legitimate source other than anecdotal evidence or just "how they feel" overall, I'd be happy to hear it.
Really? I did that? Can you please show me where I quoted something as opposed to showing both sides of the driving argument? I really don't know what your point in this was, so please clarify.
it was a general statement aimed at those who quote studies, not you, AC. as far as "masses" i think you're taking my comment in a different direction then intended. it was also aimed at ledzepfan.
i think the problem certain posters dominate the "debate" being argumentative when the tone was meant to be more like, "hey, you smoke? let's discuss it"
just what i see.
touche, kmk. absurd and ignorant. thanks for discounting my opinion so completely. i'd explain my thoughts further, but honestly, i don't like talking to you, especially "debating" with you. that said, i hope you have a good evening.
Also agreed. ledzep cited *quoted* text from pro-marijuana websites. I cited a meta-analysis of 60 different studies. If someone has a more legitimate source other than anecdotal evidence or just "how they feel" overall, I'd be happy to hear it.
Really? I did that? Can you please show me where I quoted something as opposed to showing both sides of the driving argument? I really don't know what your point in this was, so please clarify.
Back where you put those links--those websites had quotes and paraphrasing of other studies. I was looking at the original text of studies in online journals and such.
it was a general statement aimed at those who quote studies, not you, AC. as far as "masses" i think you're taking my comment in a different direction then intended. it was also aimed at ledzepfan.
i think the problem certain posters dominate the "debate" being argumentative when the tone was meant to be more like, "hey, you smoke? let's discuss it"
just what i see.
touche, kmk. absurd and ignorant. thanks for discounting my opinion so completely. i'd explain my thoughts further, but honestly, i don't like talking to you, especially "debating" with you. that said, i hope you have a good evening.
Thank you for being the only person who gets why I DIDN'T want this here. Kudos for not being like them.
i'd explain my thoughts further, but honestly, i don't like talking to you, especially "debating" with you.
Then don't join the discussion!
Everyone has the right to be here and say what they feel. Which is why I refuse to be silenced. I hope moonkeymama does come and post more if she feels like it.
moonkeymama, honestly......when have you ever had a light and general discussion with any of us??? I tried so hard to be nice to you(as did others) but damn, you would argue with a wall!!!!
Most of us that have posted don't care if someone smokes, but we think you shouldn't drive while high, or while putting on makeup, texting, etc
Everyone has the right to be here and say what they feel. Which is why I refuse to be silenced. I hope moonkeymama does come and post more if she feels like it.
and when did anyone try to silence you??
:-D
you people are hilarious. exhausting, though. keep focusing on the few negative posts i've had and disregard all the light and friendly discussions i've engaged in. don't worry lubi, we're still tight. ;)
This thread would be EXACTLY the same if it were in chitchat. It doesn't change the way people think, or talk. That's why it was immediately moved to debate, because it's obvious that a subject such as this, is going to be debated. I don't understand why that's so confusing and looked down upon!
:-D
you people are hilarious. exhausting, though. keep focusing on the few negative posts i've had and disregard all the light and friendly discussions i've engaged in. don't worry lubi, we're still tight. ;)
it's cool, you really seem to agree with us anyway.
This thread would be EXACTLY the same if it were in chitchat.
THANK YOU.
hrm....KMK, from personal experimentation and then sharing same concoctions with others, I have to disagree with you about comparing THC/marijuana with other herbs....studying herbalism, and combining certain ones, in an attempt to increase my appetite, I learned very quickly how the difference of as little of a single celery seed could be between me simply having 'the munchies' at breakfast time, so I could eat the required calories to gain weight, and me being to high to simply walk to class....and this was all done with a combination of herbs that are legal and not controlled. One of my 'dream' jobs/situations is to teach a professional course on herbalism and have the students experiment with different concoctions of legal herbs and spices, chronicle the effects/experience how they are similar/different to other intoxicants they may have taken in the past, then take drug tests and see what the results are.
I have looked for studies testing my theories and experiences, but have failed to find one.
However, if there are people out there willing to be my guinea pigs.....? ? ? ?
ETA: While I was typing this a few other posts popped up....I'd like to comment on this one though:
Thank you for being the only person who gets why I DIDN'T want this here. Kudos for not being like them.
Did you read this?:
What you need to understand, though, is when you're asking all sides to discuss their opinions you're asking for a debate. Which is why it was moved.
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I am sorry if you feel like I am 'one of them' because, really, for the most part, I think we are in agreement about decriminalizing/legalizing cannabis. I believe it should either be treated as a pharmaceutical, or be treated like tobacco and alcohol....Like moonkeymama, I just think one needs to be responsible with it and not put themselves or others in peril....I also agree with KMK, however, when citing sources and studies to support your views, linking to 'pro/con' organizations isn't going to give you 'unbiased' results....
just sayin
Thanks for responding to the actual content of the discussion, hanashi. I'm glad to hear your input.
I think it's totally valid what you are saying about other herbs being potent as well. I just mean, there are many herbs and foods that WON'T get you high (or have some other major effect on your affect, or whatever the case). There are many that will. But if I eat a donut and drive, it's not the same as if I smoke pot and drive.
I think that:
- There is a way to smoke responsibility
- You shouldn't engage in activity that endangers others when you smoke
- You shouldn't do other distracting activity while you drive
- Marijuana does impair your driving abilities
I don't smoke because I don't like the way it makes my body feel. Also, I don't really like partaking in any substances that (temporarily, or not) change me. I don't need/want anything so that I can feel differently.
Yeah.
On the context the discussion is now taking place within, I would firmly agree with those who highlight the potential harms in smoking and driving. Anything that alters your perception should not be combined with operating heavy machinery/engaging in a potentially life-threatening situation. As has already been stated, driving is outright dangerous stone-cold-sober, don't make it worse by screwing with your brain first.
As to the general issue, I have seen some seriously off-putting, scary, horrible effects on people who have been consuming excess alcohol and nastier drugs than weed.
I also know a fair number of people who would fairly fall into the long-term/ heavy-use category for weed, and while definitely some of them have squandered potential/alienated family/friends , none of them have acted in a way as violent/aggressive/hurtful as those from the previous category.
If you're at home/with friends, not planning on getting behind the wheel or being responsible for someone who depends on you , then go ahead, light up.
Right now, I'd honestly be more concerned with the alcohol-focussed society we live in than with a few potheads getting high and staying indoors.
Wow...ok, so if I remember correctly,the original post, before all the discussion about smoking/driving, was asking for opinions about the use of marijuana right? Whether people smoke, or if not, then WHY not?
SO...yes I have, and no I don't. I smoked somewhat regularly during the first half of my twenties, but it simply stopped agreeing with me. Maybe I am chemically sensitive or something, but it made me sort of nauseous...which I think is sort of opposing to what most people experience. It also seemed to have a greater impact on me...I got way overly intoxicated from small amounts. So, since it wasn't enjoyable to me, I stopped. I do LOVE the smell of it...also apparently quite the opposite of most people. I know many people who use it regularly, and for the most part they are all able to manage their daily activities. I think it should be legal, as I think in general it effects people far less than alcohol (and for the love of God, don't take away my occasional beer). I will reference the "driving" question only to say that I don't believe people should drive under the influence of any intoxicating substances...including prescriptions and OTC medications. I also don't think people should text on their phones, check their Blackberry, or apply make-up. So maybe I take a hard line. I don't however thing that driving while under the effect of marijuana is (for most people) any more dangerous than any of the other situations I mentioned...but I don't think we should be doing any of them (and I don't).
So there...that is my opinion for what it's worth...
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