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Liquid Smoke

Hello,

I tried posting this in the Tempeh Bacon VwaV review, but I didn't get any responses, so I'm just going to start a new thread in case people didn't see it.

I would really like to make the Tempeh Bacon but my local health food stores tell me liquid smoke is a carcinogen so I'm he'sitant to use it. Is there a substitution out there, or is it ok to leave it out entirely? Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks!

Aww man,I was really liking the liquid smoke stuff!!!  :P

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I found liquid smoke in the supermarket and it´s great!!! I'm sure u could exclude it but it sure gives a lovely flavour! In fact I'm quite addicted to it now ;D

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A scientific answer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8224319&dopt=Abstract

An interesting conversation about liquid smoke:
http://www.vegsoc.org.au/forum_messages.asp?Thread_ID=357&Topic_ID=1

In the conversation thread, someone mentions adding a bit of liquid smoke to one of the Uncheese recipes. I may try it.

I say, live dangerously! But take an antioxidant to fight those free radicals!  ;) 

http://www.healthchecksystems.com/antioxid.htm

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I think since vegetarians don't eat a lot of smoked meats, that a little liquid smoke would be o.k.  I'm intending on buying some and using it when I make the recipe.  The last time I bought liquid smoke it lasted a couple of years and I wound up throwing it out. 

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Thanks for the replies...I'm currently marinading the tempeh bacon in a mixture sans liquid smoke, but it doesn't seem very bacon-y. I'll probably have to just risk it and purchase some...

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I agree Tweety, and yeah its just a tiny bit that's needed for a real smokey flavour, like half a teaspoon or so - surely can't be THAT bad... ;)

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eek...
I hope this post isn't coming too late to deter some of you from using liquid smoke. I just finished reading some of the raves about the Vegan Bacon, which I'm anxious to try- definitely minus the liquid smoke however. I've done some reseach on the topic, and for a group of health conscientious, eco and body-friendly individuals, im surprised how many are eager to leapfrog their own health for a classic bacon taste. Carcinogenic materials and substances are one of the main causes of cancer. So considering that there is a debate whether liquid smoke filters ALL carcinogenic materials (and I highly doubt it does), using it, even in moderation, seems pretty reckless to me. Anyways, not trying to preach, just posting a friendly heads-up to everyone to do some investigating of your own, and  maybe try something else to get that 'bacon-y' taste! :). cheers.

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When we moved to Europe, there were several ingredients that I just couldn't find here that I would be able to get in the States.  Liquid Smoke is one of them.  What I find is a great substitute is smoked Hungarian Paprika. 

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I read a science article somewhere that said most of the carcinogens that would usually would be present in the liquid-smoke making process don't actually go into the liquid smoke. Something about the evaporation... anyway, the stuff is FAR from liquid cigarettes; :P so I'd say half a teaspoon won't kill you.

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Liquid smoke sorta makes me sick to smell it.  I have gone to Dixie Diner's powdered smoke. I heard that about liquid smoke being so bad. Of course, it is probably through cruel animal experiements involving a tiny helpless creature ingesting a gallon of it in a week.  We ALL know how we feel about animal experimentation on all levels...including the relation of such testing with regard to human issues.

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It's not just Liquid Smoke.  Anything that is smoked has PAHs. 

I don't know too much about food-related PAHs, I mainly deal with it related to fuel.  I've come across a couple of tidbits I stored away somewhere in my mind.

Mesquite and hot smoking top the PAH list, so if you're going to use something that's been smoked anyway and the label indiicates either of these choose a different variety, like a cold smoked hickory. 

A lot of it has to do with concentration of exposure and I don't know what that would be for veg*ns.  You can't escape it, PAHs are a by-product of "modern civilization".  If you drive a gas-fueled car, you're adding PAHs to the environment.

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Here's another vote in favour of good quality hungarian paprika in place of LS. And a little garlic powder wouldn't hurt anything either.
I once found a bottle of LS in food fair here and fell on it with glad cries, paid too much for it and brought it home...and the smell when I opened the bottle was just--ugh. And the food I used it in, was ugh too.
I guess I've been away from it too long. :P

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In spite of my saying you should live dangerously & go ahead & use it, I have never used it.  :-[
I really like Bragg's Aminos for flavoring & for smoky flavor I like chipolte peppers.

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A cool thing i discovered is lapsang souchong, which is a tea that has been smoked, and therefore tastes very smokey. In my opinion it's gross to drink, but replacing some or all of the liquid in a recipe with it has a nice effect, especially when trying to mimick some non-veg dishes. For instance it puts back the ham flavor in split pea soup, if you like that. Since it's been smoked, i guess there are still PHAs in it, but i'm guessing less than in some other smoked items, since you're not actually eating the tea leaves. I wonder how much goes into the tea while it's brewing...?

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A cool thing i discovered is lapsang souchong, which is a tea that has been smoked, and therefore tastes very smokey. In my opinion it's gross to drink, but replacing some or all of the liquid in a recipe with it has a nice effect, especially when trying to mimick some non-veg dishes. For instance it puts back the ham flavor in split pea soup, if you like that. Since it's been smoked, i guess there are still PHAs in it, but i'm guessing less than in some other smoked items, since you're not actually eating the tea leaves. I wonder how much goes into the tea while it's brewing...?

Where did you find it?  My DH is begging for something to add the "pork" flavor to his pinto beans.  That might work.  I was planning on looking at Whole Foods for a pigless "pork" bouillon as well.  I don't actually like "porky" tasting beans but he loves them.  I never ate beans very often before I returned to being a vegetarian and I think that's why. 

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Tin Texas, i could only find it online, and bought mine from amazon.com. Here are some other sources:
http://www.dragonfly-teas.com/products/artisanteas/lapsang_souchong.php
http://www.frontiercoop.com/learn/tea_lapsang.html
and if you scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page, there's a recipe for baked beans using lapsang souchong- I've never tried it:
http://hilary.fascinationdesign.com/

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