chewy chocolate chip cookies?
can anyone veganize this recipe so that the result are perfectly chewy cookies?
alton brown on food network's good eats said that for chewy they had to have melted butter, bread flour, one egg & one egg yolk (apparently egg whites dry out the batter? does that mean the same for egg substitutes?), and more brown sugar than white sugar (he even said you can use ALL brown sugar instead of white which is what i did).
i did this and these things happened:
1) my chocolate chips melted when i added them to my batter (i guess i should have chilled it first? although it doesn't say to in the recipe)
2) my cookies spread into one gigantic rectangular cookie (despite the fact that i chilled the batter as directed!)
3) they tasted... not what i was hoping for
4) they came out REALLY super greasy. like, they are floating in oil or something.
they were from the episode called "three chips for sister.... the thin, the puffy, the chewy".
here's the recipe:
2 sticks unsalted butter
2 1/4 cups bread flour
1 teaspoon kosher salt
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 cup sugar
1 1/4 cups brown sugar
1 egg
1 egg yolk
2 tablespoons milk
1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract
2 cups semisweet chocolate chips
Hardware:
Ice cream scooper (#20 disher, to be exact)
Parchment paper
Baking sheets
Mixer
Directions
Heat oven to 375 degrees F.
Melt the butter in a heavy-bottom medium saucepan over low heat. Sift together the flour, salt, and baking soda and set aside.
Pour the melted butter in the mixer's work bowl. Add the sugar and brown sugar. Cream the butter and sugars on medium speed. Add the egg, yolk, 2 tablespoons milk and vanilla extract and mix until well combined. Slowly incorporate the flour mixture until thoroughly combined. Stir in the chocolate chips.
Chill the dough, then scoop onto parchment-lined baking sheets, 6 cookies per sheet. Bake for 14 minutes or until golden brown, checking the cookies after 5 minutes. Rotate the baking sheet for even browning. Cool completely and store in an airtight container.
and the url: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/the-chewy-recipe/index.html
it got GREAT reviews!
also, i didn't have bread flour, so i used whole wheat pastry flour which is what i use for ALL of my baking and my cookies always turn out splendid. except this time.
oh, and i didn't know what to do for the "egg yolk" but i figured since the point was that it was a fat that would keep the batter moist, i just added a tablespoon of cold vegan butter. maybe applesauce would have been better? or maybe just two full eggs of my ener-g egg replacer?
did anyone else see this episode and experiment with them yet?!!
please help!
(ps, i feel sorta silly for the greasiness now because i didn't double check the amount of butter for one stick. earth balance sticks look like half the size of a regular stick of butter so i used four sticks but i guess they are really the same size as the other ones but maybe they are thicker? so it has two cups of butter instead of one which might very well be the whole reason why they turned out the way that they did. yikes! well, regardless, can someone veganize this recipe to get chewy cookies that taste decent and aren't greasy?)
doubling the amount of butter called for will definitely make the cookies spread out and be greasy. I'd be happy to try this. tomorrow I'll have time to do so.
I don't really get the point of melting the butter in a pan since it will melt in the oven. I would try it without melting the butter (margarine) and see what happens. Or chill the dough down before adding the chips so they don't melt. And the egg yolk isn't about the fat so much as the proteins/leavening properties in it--mdvegan's tofu suggestion is a good one. I wouldn't add more margarine since 1 cup (2 sticks) is a lot already and when you doubled it, they turned out poorly, so I wouldn't add any more than the recipe calls for.
Good luck! Mmmm, cookies ^-^
I don't really get the point of melting the butter in a pan since it will melt in the oven. I would try it without melting the butter (margarine) and see what happens. Or chill the dough down before adding the chips so they don't melt. And the egg yolk isn't about the fat so much as the proteins/leavening properties in it--mdvegan's tofu suggestion is a good one. I wouldn't add more margarine since 1 cup (2 sticks) is a lot already and when you doubled it, they turned out poorly, so I wouldn't add any more than the recipe calls for.
Good luck! Mmmm, cookies ^-^
you should watch the episode. alton was explaining how to make cookies either crunchy, cakey, or chewy and the consistency of the butter is VERY important to get those results. to make it chewy he said it had to be melted. so i guess next time i'll cool the butter before i add it to the dough after melting it.
also, he said the egg yolk's fats kept it moist. i'm sure the protein might play too, although it isn't really supposed to rise since it's not a cakey cookie. the tofu suggestion might work pretty well. i've never tried that for baking.
i didn't mean to double it!
thank you. i hope i get it right next time. they definitely tasted like they had potential, but they were just greasy. the batter was okay but salty. probably because the butter wasn't unsalted. i don't know of any vegan butters that come unsalted. so i'd probably omit the salt if i made them again.
doubling the amount of butter called for will definitely make the cookies spread out and be greasy. I'd be happy to try this. tomorrow I'll have time to do so.
yay! i'd love it if you could and then you could tell me how they would turn out. definitely don't double the butter! :boooo:
i'd suggest cooling the butter after melting it and before adding it to the batter.
I use 1/4 c. of pureed tofu for each egg yolk, if that helps.
I don't know how your chocolate chips wouldn't melt if you are adding to warm dough. ???
i've never tried that for baking. does it work well?
and i agree. i didn't think about it until i saw it melting. if you make it, i would suggest cooling the butter after melting it and before mixing it in with the sugars.
thank you so much for the suggestion!
(and to everyone else, too, thank you!)
My cookies *always* come out flat and pathetic.
If anyone tries this recipe with success...please let me know!
This recipe does look good and the science in it is interesting too! However, Rainbowdust919, I was wondering if the flour has something to do with it? I know bread flour has more protein in it than regular flour has in it (even the whole wheat pastry flour, which I think even has less protein in it than regular whole wheat flour.) I think the bread flour, because of its higher protein levels, makes the cookies chewier?
I hope this might help you. I know since earth balance is kinda expensive here I would use coconut oil for it but would use only 3/4 of the coconut oil for the margerine since coconut oil is made of all fat and margerine has some water in it. THen to make up for the water content in the butter (margerine), I add 1/4 of the water for the butter (margerine) in the rest of the recipe that I didn't use for the coconut oil. I only use coconut oil because i got a big jar of it for Christmas!
I hope that made sense! This is what I mean: for 2 sticks of butter/margerine (aka 1 cup) I use 3/4 cup of coconut oil and 1/4 cup of water.
Good luck with thhe cookies! THe recipe sounds intrigueing (spelling?)!
This recipe is great for soft and chewy choco chip cookies: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=15979.0
This recipe does look good and the science in it is interesting too! However, Rainbowdust919, I was wondering if the flour has something to do with it? I know bread flour has more protein in it than regular flour has in it (even the whole wheat pastry flour, which I think even has less protein in it than regular whole wheat flour.) I think the bread flour, because of its higher protein levels, makes the cookies chewier?
I hope this might help you. I know since earth balance is kinda expensive here I would use coconut oil for it but would use only 3/4 of the coconut oil for the margerine since coconut oil is made of all fat and margerine has some water in it. THen to make up for the water content in the butter (margerine), I add 1/4 of the water for the butter (margerine) in the rest of the recipe that I didn't use for the coconut oil. I only use coconut oil because i got a big jar of it for Christmas!
I hope that made sense! This is what I mean: for 2 sticks of butter/margerine (aka 1 cup) I use 3/4 cup of coconut oil and 1/4 cup of water.
Good luck with thhe cookies! THe recipe sounds intrigueing (spelling?)!
that's a definite possibility. he did mention the higher protein content was important to the chewiness, but i just used what i had. i should get some bread flour and try it again with half of the butter (the right amount!).
i should also look into vegan butter that is unsalted. i wonder how much salt (if any) needs to be added if your butter is salted instead of unsalted?
This recipe is great for soft and chewy choco chip cookies: http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=15979.0
thank you! i'll look into it.
My cookies *always* come out flat and pathetic.
If anyone tries this recipe with success...please let me know!
i'll let you know. ;)b
mine usually turn out okay.
only sometimes flat & pathetic.
I've got a great recipe for chewy chocolate chip cookies that involves a box of instant pudding mix (jello brand is vegan). They stay chewy forever and ever. The recipe is at home though, and I'm at work...
I've got a great recipe for chewy chocolate chip cookies that involves a box of instant pudding mix (jello brand is vegan). They stay chewy forever and ever. The recipe is at home though, and I'm at work...
okay!
thanks!
oooh RC, im 'cited!
I am forever looking for a recipe that makes a chewy, yet crumbly cookie. A local place used to make the BEST ones, but idk if they used butter, shortening, or a combo. Ive never been able to replicate it. :'(
okay, so i gave this recipe another shot with the different tips people gave me.
i followed the recipe but with these variations:
for the 1 egg i used 1 1/2 tsp ener-g egg replacer w/ 2 tbs hot water whipped until frothy
for the 1 egg yolk i used 1/4 cup pureed silken lite tofu blended with the two tbs of milk
for the milk i used almond milk
i blended the two types of egg replacers separately and then i whipped them together right before adding them to the creamed butter/sugar
i cooled the melted butter after melting but before adding to sugar (made a big difference!)
i used two sticks of earth balance (instead of the four i accidentally did before... wow, way better!)
because the earth balance was so salty, i did not add salt (the recipe calls for unsalted butter)
everything else i followed. i even went out and got bread flour (which i did not know was different from pastry flour!).
i must say that this time the recipe turned out so well! they get an A+ from us. the dough was delicious and the cookies turned out so soft and chewy. the kind that bend and fold without crumbling... just the way i love them!
Ingredients
2 sticks (1 cup) vegan butter (ex: Earth Balance)
2 1/4 cups bread flour
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 cup sugar
1 1/4 cups brown sugar
1 1/2 tsp Ener-g egg replacer
2 tbs hot water
1/4 cup silken tofu (i used lite)
2 tablespoons almond milk
1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract
2 cups semisweet chocolate chips
Hardware:
Ice cream scooper (#20 disher, to be exact)
Parchment paper
Baking sheets
Mixer
Blender
3 mixing bowls (1 for dry ingredients, 1 for wet, 1 for mixing egg replacer)
Cooling racks
Directions
Heat oven to 375 degrees F.
Melt the butter in a heavy-bottom medium saucepan over low heat. Allow butter to cool but do not allow it to solidify. Sift together the flour and baking soda and set aside.
Pour the melted butter in the mixer's work bowl. Add the sugar and brown sugar. Cream the butter and sugars on medium speed (it should be creamy & fluffy, like buttercreme).
In the blender, add the 1/4 cup silken tofu & 2 tbs almond milk. Blend until completely smooth.
Whip the 1 1/2 tsp Ener-g egg replacer and the 2 tbs hot water for about two minutes (until thick and frothy). Scrape blender contents into egg replacer and whip the two egg replacers together for about a minute.
Add the egg replacers and vanilla extract to the creamed butter/sugar mixture and mix until well combined. Slowly incorporate the flour mixture in 3 increments until thoroughly combined. Toss the chocolate chips in the last little bit of flour (it keeps them from falling to the bottom of the batter) and then stir into the rest of the batter.
Chill the dough until about the consistency of softened ice cream (i had mine in the freezer for 1 hour), then scoop onto parchment-lined baking sheets, 6 cookies per sheet. (remember to chill the dough in between batches!) Press the balls of dough down to flatten them a bit (they will spread, but this helps them to bake more evenly since they are cold going into the oven). Bake for 14 minutes or until golden brown, checking the cookies after 5 minutes. Rotate the baking sheet for even browning at 5 minutes. Slide the parchment paper onto cooling rack immediately after pulling from the oven. After a couple of minutes they should be firm enough to place directly onto the cooling racks and remove the parchment paper. Cool completely and store in an airtight container.
enjoy!
I watched that Good Eats! I love Alton. heheh
I think watching the 'butter' consistency is very important but it sounds like you figured out a working method to get around margarine instead of butter. Yay!
I will give these a try soon. Thanks. :)
I'm finally getting back to this. I actually got up to go get the recipe an hour and a half ago, and instead started a load of laundry and cleaned my basement for an hour and a half. My priorities are obviously skewed.
2 1/4 cups all purpose flour
1 tsp baking soda
1 cup margarine (EB, obviously ;))
3/4 cups brown sugar
1/4 cup white sugar
1 package of instant vanilla pudding (or whatever flavor you want the cookies to be -- jello brand is vegan, store brand often contains milk)
1/2 cup pureed silken tofu or soy-yogurt (vanilla or plain)
1 tsp vanilla extract
1 bag (about 2 cups) of chocolate chips
Preheat the oven to 350' F. Sift together the dry ingredients (except the pudding mix and chocolate chips!) Cream together the margarine and sugars. Beat in the pudding mix. Add the tofu or yogurt and vanilla and mix until combined. Gradually blend in the dry ingredients. Finally stir in the chocolate chips. Drop spoonfuls onto ungreased cookie sheets and bake for 10-12 minutes.
Other combos are fun too, like chocolate pudding and butterscotch chips.
in the past i've subbed all-purpose or pastry flour for bread flour by replacing a tablespoon or 2 with gluten flour. i don't remember the exact proportions - i just googled it and found it on some baking website. anyway - it worked for whatever i used it for, so that may be an idea for anyone that doesnt want to go buy another type of flour.
rc & rd919 - both of your recipes sound really good - thanks for making me want cookies! i really need to start only visiting threads about salads..
Rainbowdust, you are so scientific. Thanks for sharing your progress.
Enjoy your cookies!!!
awe! thank you!
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