what do you make of this advert for vegtalk (and what is says about veganism)?
Posted by asleep on a sunbeam on Sep 20, 2010 · Member since Aug 2009 · 287 posts
http://www.vegtalk.org/promotion/slim_erotic_legs.jpg
I came across this recently, and I've slammed it for a few reasons, but I was wondering what peoples first reactions are on other veggie/vegan based chat forums.
I think its sending very stupid, wrong and dangerous messages, I'll post back after a few replies (or if I don't, pm me and it should go into one of my email addresses and I'll get back to it).
I fail to see what that photo has to do with veg*nism. Or anything else except maybe lingerie.
As many have mentioned on the boards here, veg*n does not necessarily equal "slim" or even skinny.
I think some fruits and veggies would have sufficed but this looks like the poorly made banner for some teenagers pro-ana forum. What it has to do with being veg*n, I have no idea. I've been a vegan for almost 9 years and my legs don't look anything like that. Besides, are we going there to talk about sexy legs?
Edit: I went to the forum to see if it was set up by PETA because this looks like something they would do but it looks like it was set up by just some random person. Do you know the origins of who created it? The picture also looks like it is a stolen photo that was cropped and written on in Paint so A+ for stealing art. >:( I also saw your post and will be waiting for a reply from them. I also read some other posts and many of them seemed very juvenile.
Ugh!
I think some fruits and veggies would have sufficed but this looks like the poorly made banner for some teenagers pro-ana forum. What it has to do with being veg*n, I have no idea. I've been a vegan for almost 9 years and my legs don't look anything like that. Besides, are we going there to talk about sexy legs?
Edit: I went to the forum to see if it was set up by PETA because this looks like something they would do but it looks like it was set up by just some random person. Do you know the origins of who created it? The picture also looks like it is a stolen photo that was cropped and written on in Paint so A+ for stealing art. >:( I also saw your post and will be waiting for a reply from them. I also read some other posts and many of them seemed very juvenile.
Do you think any of my posts were unfair?
I'm a bit surprised someone found it so quickly. There's just so much wrong with the picture it makes me want to...well it makes me darned angry!
No, I think they were totally fair and I'm curious to see if they will answer you and what they have to say. I can see exactly why you're angry as well, it does send the wrong message about veganism and really, that photo has nothing to do with veganism.
To be honest the first thing I thought of when I saw it was the raunchy American Apparel ads on Foundmagazine.com. Those ads turned me against ever even considering AA clothes; and this one would turn me against whoever backs the "ad".
No, I think they were totally fair and I'm curious to see if they will answer you and what they have to say. I can see exactly why you're angry as well, it does send the wrong message about veganism and really, that photo has nothing to do with veganism.
Well I emailed the admin so they know about the thread, should be interesting if and when they do reply, and revealing if they don't.
The thread for all who are interested:
http://www.vegtalk.org/health-forum/shocked-and-appualed-the-message-sent-out-vegtalk-t2795.html
To "asleep" and/or any others who take the stance, I would be interested to read what you believe is so "stupid" "wrong" and\or "dangerous" about the picture. As for me, I believe it brings more interest to their site. In my opinion veg*nism is sexy! For those who may be interested in having legs/body similar to what's in the picture, veg*nism can be one of the methods of achieving such. Furthermore I don't believe I've known of any fat veg*ns except for maybe Ben Franklin.
VegeJerryan, if you've been a VWer since 2007 I am surprised you haven't stumbled upon the many threads discussing the fact that many veg*ns (certainly many VWers) have discovered from experience that you can indeed be veg*n and heavy. You can lose weight on a veg*n diet yes, but it is certainly not a given. There are many other factors such as lifestyle, exercise and metabolism or health issues that play a part as well.
*points to self* Yo! fat veg*n here!
p.s. Is it really bad that the first thing I thought when I saw that pic is "Is that a dude? where the f*%& are her hips?! go eat some oreos lady!!"
1.Not all vegans are skinny. I am quite the voluptuous example of a stereotype proven wrong.
2. That add makes me angry. I hate when women are objectified/seen as sex/ told they aren't good enough.
The add does all of these things. Notice the women has no face, just a body, and is scantily clad, shown as a sex symbol, and one that other women should aspire to look like as well "Great legs, it isn't that hard"
BBOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Thumbs down.
Read my previous post for the link to the thread, there have been two replies, one really stupid one, and one not as bad, but not positive one below it.
I thought VegeJerryan was just a bot or something. Either that or she obviously hasn't been following the thread.....
I thought VegeJerryan was just a bot or something. Either that or she obviously hasn't been following the thread.....
She's a he, if we are to believe the male symbol.
And BTW, there are heavy male veg*ns, too.
Not only does the woman have no face, but the tarty stockings and FM shoes don't help. Why not a pair of running shorts and some flat sandals, or something less stereotyped?
True, there will be some fat veg*ns, but in my observation, rarely, (if not at all?) obese. Also in my observations, veg*ns have been mostly skinnier percentage-wise.
I do agree, naturally, that other factors play a part, but for some, a higher focus on diet may work, while for others a higher focus on lifestyle etc.
Naturally, that depends on the person.
It also depends on the person in how the ad is perceived - which can be in many ways, - as long as we don't let our judgements get in the way.
One way of perceiving this ad may be that (although veg*ns may not necessarily be slim,) veg*ns - or more specifically, veg*n legs, tread lightly on the planet, including "fat" vegans - (although more in an environmental way.) Therefore the ad can be perceived as saying acquiring beautiful legs is (more) possible through veg*nism, - whether they be "sexy" legs, or thoughtful/compassionate "legs".
Either way, veg*n legs are beautiful!
P.s. Are Oreos still made with animal fat or did they switch over to vegetable (in the mid 1990s?)?
P.p.s. What is a bot?
P.p.p.s.I would be interested to read of other suggestions for a good/comparable ad(!)
And oh yeah, - if a woman appears in an ad, say, holding a tennis racket, does that mean that all women should be tennis players? Like the song says; "they're just someone else's fantasies. Not, in my opinion, "objectifying." Being "sexy" or a "sex object" is but one part (for some women) of being a woman. Like women (or men) on a cover of a fitness magazine, it's someone elses "ideal". Whether one chooses to reach for that star - or another - is, or at least should be, up to that person.
I might be back with more today to make things more clear. (On a different computer.)
according to the bmi, i'm obese. i'm a vegan. that ad is disgusting.i'm not saying anything against skinny or slim people, but to consider that the "standard" for sexy is wrong. there shouldnt be a standard for sexy. personally, if i were a guy, i'd say the girl in the ad needs to put on a few pounds. but others do think it's sexy. beauty is within the eye of the beholder.
and apart from all of that IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VEGANISM! nothing at all. seriously, ads like that make people have eating disorders.
according to the bmi, i'm obese. i'm a vegan. that ad is disgusting.i'm not saying anything against skinny or slim people, but to consider that the "standard" for sexy is wrong. there shouldnt be a standard for sexy. personally, if i were a guy, i'd say the girl in the ad needs to put on a few pounds. but others do think it's sexy. beauty is within the eye of the beholder.
and apart from all of that IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VEGANISM! nothing at all. seriously, ads like that make people have eating disorders.
Well apparently it's an add not for veganism but the message board, I've seen some idiot mods in my time, but that really takes the low fat 1 calorie nothing to do with veganism biscuit!
From the posts here, I'd say the ad certainly isn't going to make any friends for them in the female sector and a great part of the male sector.
So, epic fail.
I wonder, if early in their careers, if legendary people such as Marilyn Monroe, or Cher, or Madonna, etc. made many friends in the female sector, yet today in a more enlightened society (in some ways), not only how many friends, but how many admirers do they have becuase they dared to stand out from the culturally programmed crowd and have the ability to use their sexuality to express liberation(!) Compare the 1940s, when many "moral" women with breast cancer would prefer to die than to show their breasts to a doctor - to today or modern times when women have become more open and accepting,... and natural. Has anybody here bothered to write a thank-you letter to their true leaders of liberation?
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