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Im vegan but I can't stand...

Stereotypical hippies.

There are a bunch of damn hippies at my school that go around slapping peace sign stickers on stuff whenever they get the chance. Then the go and drive to Hartford (CT) and buy "the good stuff" from drug dealers, which helps "promote peace and expand minds." Then they smoke that shit and go and eat a bunch of McDonald's "food." I know 2 girls off the top of my head that party often, and have had abortions. I don't know what is more sickening, their actions, or the fact that they are so open and laid back about it.

The way I see it, buying drugs from drug dealers supports gang violence. Smoking shit makes you weak and apathetic, and hardly "expands minds." Eating McDonald's... speaks for itself on this website. And abortion as a form of birth control is just fucking appalling.

All this stuff adds up to what I could hardly call a peaceful life. Granted there are chill hippies out there but most of them just piss me off.

Any of you guys feel the same way? Oh and by the way, did I mention that they smell bad and have scummy hair...

Jake, I think you might be taking my comments/related ones slightly beyond their intent. Your choices are your choices, and I respect that. I don't mean to seem like I'm pressuring you to take up using drugs. I just think it's fair to let those who make different choices and do so responsibly have respect as well. You can be edge if you want, but bashing EVERYONE who uses drugs, or the drugs themselves, or entire subcultures and social groups... that's a little harsh.

yeah i see where you are coming from. the blunt comment was a joke. honestly i would probably just drink bleach, i mean with the blunt i smoke it and then get sober again and the thread is still here. at least with the bleach i dont have to worry about coming back again and seeing the ugly monster this thread has turned into.

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at least with the bleach i dont have to worry about coming back again and seeing the ugly monster this thread has turned into.

If threads are around long enough, they all start to lose focus and usually go in the direction of a Jerry Springer show.

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if people want to abuse drugs they will, legal or not.  I have a very good friend that went to rehab for her "robatripping" habit.  She was addicted to robatussin cough medicine. Anyway, what was the point of this thread?  We always seem to get a little sidetracked!

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The website you referred to is called "The Better Choice," or something like that, carrotwench.  That's where I got the either/or.  Anyway I'm going to end that conversation with you because clearly you have a personal gripe with me, as evidenced by your disproportionate, angry outbursts to most things I say here.  That's fine.  I responded to practically every person with a contradictory view to my own, including you.  I don't feel the need to justify myself further, and I will disregard future posts from you to avoid further conflict and f-bombs.  To be fair, I thought I was replying to narcissus, not you, CW, for most of the first part of the conversation because I confused your posts, so my manner of speaking has nothing to do with you, it has to do with the topic at hand.

Regarding the comment that nothing except direct harm against others should be illegal, I strongly disagree with that sentiment.  If you look around, that's just not the way a government works.  The reality is, human beings are morons.  They will make stupid decisions, either by accident or purposefully, and the point of government is to PREVENT the outfall from people's lack of common sense.  Think of how many laws we abide by on a daily basis that are for the PREVENTION of harm rather than a REACTION to harm.  Speed limits, DUI laws, drinking ages, prescription drugs, traffic laws, weapon ownership laws, laws pertaining to public decency......I mean, I could go on and on.  I think the notion that you don't manage someone until they've done harm is totally irresponsible on behalf of the governing body.  It is reactionary rather than proactive.

People are flawed.  Sometimes they can't best manage themselves for various reasons.  You have to expect they will mess up.  You don't go about giving them the tools to mess up!  That's like if I said to one of my students, hey, you can walk around with a knife in your pocket.  Just don't use it!  Or, here, 7 of you can go to the bathroom at once, just don't cause mischief!  By the time the harm is done, it is too late.  Likewise, you wouldn't say, ok, I'm going to give you the right to drive as fast as you want, just DON'T crash!  When the reality is, you can drive quickly and responsibly--you're just more likely to cause harm that way.  And I don't feel it's a violation of rights to have restrictions placed on our behaviors as a society.  That's how we get things done.  By expecting certain positive behaviors and outlawing certain negative ones that could LEAD TO  harm.  I am of the camp that says that the rules expressed by the government can shape behavior, not that the behaviors shape the rules.  

I think I agree with those of you who say that alcohol is worse than marijuana.  I don't really know the solution to that.  I am not convinced banning it is that solution, but maybe someone can convince me otherwise.  I guess I am just not a fan of "but X is so much worse than Y, and X is allowed!" arguments.  They're weak.  I think banning alcohol would be detrimental, and I think legalizing marijuana would be detrimental.  Both.  That's all.

Honestly at the end of the day I don't care if people smoke pot.  And it seems to me that those who want it don't have trouble getting it.  I'm with narcissus on the ban = filter school of thought.

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...clearly you have a personal gripe with me, as evidenced by your disproportionate, angry outbursts to most things I say here.

gee, this sounds awfully familiar.

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ok this is totally off subject haha, but you seem to kind of be bashing punk music, but then label yourself as 'straightedge.' Which is a term coined by a punk band. Not that you have to like punk music or even Minor Threat just to be straightedge, but i'm just curious as to if you knew that I guess. Not trying to argue or be an ass, i promise lol.

Ohh yeah. I deff know my fair of hardcore and punk, and I love it. I just think it is funny when people take it so seriously and think it is so much better than all other music. I will be the first one to admit it takes little talent to play hardcore or punk, so i just give my fellow punx and hardcore kids a hard time about it.

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Look at it this way:
alcohol is fun to drink, but drinking has its risks.
marijuana is fun to smoke, and its risks are fewer*...  but even if the risks were the same as alcohol, I still don't see why it ought to be illegal just because some people lack personal responsibility.

You like to drink wine sometimes, right? That very substance--alcohol--is abused heavily in this country, and its abuse is the cause of several deaths and ongoing health problems.... so why not make it illegal for everyone?
Yes, some people who smoke weed are irresponsible with it, but that is not the case with everyone who uses it, just as it is not the case with everyone who drinks.

Wow really CW, you honestly think that is a creditable source?

AgriBusiness might as well use sites like

www.fishscam.com  or maybe www.animalscam.com

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Wow really CW, you honestly think that is a creditable source?

AgriBusiness might as well use sites like

www.fishscam.com  or maybe www.animalscam.com

Obviously the site has a mission, and it presents factual information biased in favor of that mission. But did You care to look at their sources?

And for the record, my posting this information does NOT boil down to a simple argument of "because X is worse than Y, and X is legal, therefore Y should be legal, too." Again, the issues surrounding alcohol use/abuse are relevant as a counter-example when discussing the use/abuse of marijuana in terms of its legality.

And again, some people simply shouldn't use marijuana, and some simply shouldn't use alcohol. Neither should be a "necessary fixture," that is true....I'm not comparing any of these substances to water or air, for instance.

For certain purposes, I could compare marijuana to chocolate....
Both have their potential benefits (ex: release of endorphins ; appetite stimulation, which can be beneficial or harmful depending on the individual), but neither is a necessary element to living a good life. It's a good treat for some of Us, though. Some people are allergic, and some are very sensitive and do not react well to it. Not all brands/sources are created equal; quality ingredients and a lack of unhealthy additives make for the best experience.
And in both cases, moderation is key.
...Saying "weed makes You stupid/lazy/apathetic/etc." is like saying "chocolate makes You fat/lazy/get acne" -- In some cases, a direct correlation can = causation, but it's a gross generalization, and such sweeping statements don't hold up.

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Getting back to the, erhm...original purpose of this thread.....

......For the past few months, I have been putting up with an entire small community of faux-hippies just like jakexvx has described.
In September, I moved into a house shared by 3 other women, next to a small cluster of homes shared by several men and women, which is all located next to the (actually very cool) Lake Claire Land Trust, a community-owned green space in East Atlanta. Part of the property is a community building which houses an after school program and various gatherings.

So basically this whole little neighborhood is full of (what most people would call) "hippies" of varying hippie-styles. It was cool at first, because everyone is generally very polite and appear to be pretty open-minded folk.
...But I've had such a hard time connecting with anyone here, because I soon discovered that many of the people here are extremely superficial, and the people I've lived with in particular seem to care more about the hippie image than making conscientious decisions. You know, lots of groovy bumper stickers with no congruent actions.

Half of the people who live in this housing cluster claim to be vegetarians, but they eat fish and poultry.... or as one woman described herself, "a beady-eyed vegetarian... I only eat the animals with little beady eyes!"  ::) Like that has anything to do with vegetarianism. And christ on a cracker, I never expected to have my veganism so openly mocked and disregarded by a group of supposed hippies...but no group is exempt from rampant ignorance and self-serving attitudes.

You can see just how much they care about the planet by the amount of fast food containers in the trash bins....by having to wait to use the toilet while someone takes a 30-minute shower....by waking up to the smell of bacon grease every morning...by seeing every light on in every room of every house while the entire house population sits around outside, tripping shrooms and generally disregarding the "respect Your neighbors" noise policy. And goddamn, talk about misuse of substances. Mushroom trips should not be a nightly event, for cryin' out loud.

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Long story short,
I'm actually glad I'm getting evicted.

This is not the positive environment that they advertise.

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I see what you're saying, people like that are annoying as shit.

And I mentioned in another thread, people like you're describing tend to be super environmentally conscious but don't give 2 shits about eating meat or supporting places like McDonald's. And no comment on the "smoking" because, well, I've definitely been there in my day haha But a lot of them aren't focused on health anyway, just posing as someone morally opposed to the same things as a vegan, yet they eat meat, etc.

Unfortunately we all have to deal w/ people like that, and probably always will. Luckily we can take comfort in knowing we're better than them haha

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CW, there was a lot of fake hippies like that at my first college. Lots of SUVs and such too.
In fact, someone at the school found a satire about "hippies" in a magazine and posted it on her dorm door - with a guy dressed up like a modern hippie, pointing out all the essentially for being one - no war for oil sticker/button, starbucks, birkenstocks, soul patch, etc. It was very much a stereotype, but also an accurate depiction for many people i met at that school...

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OMG you just made me remember-

I wanted to share this with someone and this seems like the perfect place. There's a co-op grocery place here and they have these bumper stickers that say "I buy local" and half the city has them on their cars, and yes it's wonderful that they buy local but putting that bumper sticker on your SUV or your 20 year old car that's had a broken muffler for about half that time and leaks black exhaust seems kinda ironic...

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I think a bumper sticker like that is pretty hard to live up to anyway, at least depending on where you live. You'd have to never eat pineapple, coconut, mangos, or banana (at the very least). And it's great to look for local food, but what about clothing? electronics?
i guess it's just one of those labels that's more about doing something more than nothing, rather than a strict guideline.

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i guess it's just one of those labels that's more about doing something more than nothing, rather than a strict guideline.

Actually around here it's kind of a fad to have the bumper sticker, it's odd... I'm a little weird about the whole "local buying" stuff. I mean it does help but like you said there's only so much you can buy local... Plus local doesn't mean organic, or even cruelty free for that matter (if someone is buying meat, etc)

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Well, 'I buy local' isn't 'I ONLY buy local.' If they had a bumper sticker that said they ate veggies, it wouldn't mean they were a vegan. I guess I can appreciate the efforts made, though. A conscious decision to try to buy locally is better than nothing.

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Ok, so I had to Google "soul patch." IE: irritating, purposeless patch of facial hair that makes me want to shave you. I never thought I'd find a trend that irritated me more than the "three day beard courtesy of the electric razor" but this is it.

I've been tasting "blanc de blancs" today. It was the forerunner of champagne and packs quite a punch.

"Do not say that I am drunk. I can walk well enough, and I can speak...well enough. Do not then say...that I am drunk." (Othello)  :-D

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Well, 'I buy local' isn't 'I ONLY buy local.' If they had a bumper sticker that said they ate veggies, it wouldn't mean they were a vegan. I guess I can appreciate the efforts made, though. A conscious decision to try to buy locally is better than nothing.

Yeah, true. But I guess when it gets to the point where the label is trendy (and means less), it gets annoying. Like peace symbols everywhere, or the "go green" phrase on people who don't recycle.

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