Marijuana
Posted by ledzepfan12 on Aug 26, 2009 · Member since Jan 2007 · 675 posts
What do you all think about it? I mean in general, your stance on drugs, if you smoke/ reasons you don't, etc. I really don't know what made me think of it, I just would like to know other peoples opinons of it. I was thinking of making it a pole, but I don't know how that would have worked out.
I really have no tolerance for people who drive intoxicated. I lost two people very close to me because of people that feel that pot or alcohol makes the drive "better." My girlfriend also lost her father to a drunk driver.
Also Led you said that weed helps you calm down and get over the stuff that is bothering you; how about instead of "getting over it" by getting high you actually do something constructive about it and fix the root of the problem.
And I hate big agriculture as much as the next animal rights activist, but how can vegans bitch and complain about how the animals are treated and how unnecessary their slaughter is and then go smoke weed. weed is such an unnecessary substance to use, and it is tied to all kinds of other drugs, gang violence, and prostitution.
I know no one is perfect and people are hypocritical by nature, but dont fucking mock me for the life i live.
Just because someone drives and has smoked marijuana, it does not mean that they are intoxicated. Just as if someone has a glass of beer and drives, they are not drunk. The difference is our system has legalized alcohol and has a standard set for what is allowed and what is illegal. Since marijuana is illegal, then there is no standard, and people think that if one has ANY weed in their system, then they're automatically fucked up already. This doesn't make any sense. There are stages. Just because you smoke a bowl doesn't mean you're stoned. I've been with people that have been smoking and they drove exactly as they did when they hadn't been smoking. No swerving, no weaving, etc. There are degrees. Also, most of the people that are arrested or wreck when they've been smoking also have other drugs in their system, not just weed.
I'm very sorry for your loss, and I understand that you do not want to hear of something people driving in anything less than a perfect state of mind. However, not everyone who smokes weed is a monster.
i have my medical card.
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i have my medical card.
colorado rox.
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you should watch "super high me".
you don't know any old hippies that have smoked almost all their life?
i know plenty. and they're allsome.
you don't know any old hippies that have smoked almost all their life?
i know plenty. and they're allsome.
Are they all successful or just "cool"... I dunno I think smoking is something you just grow out of or you never really mature... That's my opinion... A good friend of mines dad is a long time smoker, didn't do much with his life... he does construction and paints weird pictures and hangs them all over the house.
i guess i don't feel like i really need to "do much" with my life.
i have a great proffession that contributes a lot to society.
i'm involved politically.
have a wonderful family.
i love animals and don't eat them.
and i like smoking the devils weed at night while watching something dumb on tv... like southpark.
I think you might know some but that's anecodtal, not indicative of widespread effecs. The fact is smoking marijuana is known to accelerate the growth of malignant tumors (among other things) so while some people may be fine, other people are at risk for major health complications.
Oh, you mean like alcohol? or tobacco?!!!
I've been avoiding this thread 'cause I think it's like abortion: people feel how they feel about it, based on life experience & personal ethical sensibilities, so it's not usually something really actually subject to debate...
But our *legal* drugs do WAY worse stuff than this one!
I'm not a stoner, myself, but that's mainly accidental... the stuff makes me sleepy, so then I just miss my night off (though I wake up quite well-rested & refreshed!)... my downtime is too precious to sleep through, lol, so usually I nurse a wine glass/ enjoy the party/ don't break the law... but only 'cause my THC tolerance sucks ass! If cabernet were illegal, I'd be a hardened criminal. >:D
I'm a health care professional with a MS degree; my hub has a Phd; most of our social circle is at that educational/ professional level, and about half of them are confirmed/ unapologetic pot smokers. And guess what: they do their jobs, take care of their kids, don't drive-under-the-influence, & are generally cool people/ productive citizens.
To me the problem is the dichotomy between what we legalize -- alcohol/ tobacco, which cause HUGE health/ legal/ social problems, for pete's sake! -- and mj, which... well, apart from the problems that are caused by my low tolerance, & its arbitrary status as 'illegal'... doesn't. Social hypocrisy, to the nth power!
the people around here that still smoke weed that i went to high school with never went to college and surf all day... they still see life as just a party... i dunno smoking seems like something you should get over the need to do as a grown adult, to each his own though :/
the people around here that still smoke weed that i went to high school with never went to college and surf all day... they still see life as just a party... i dunno smoking seems like something you should get over the need to do as a grown adult, to each his own though :/
Ok... agreed on the last part! I'd add that overindulgence in ANY mood-altering substance is a bad idea, and should be quickly outgrown by responsible folk!... I just don't see the need for different standards for pot vs. tobacco & alcohol. There are more alcoholics, I think (not sure, here, just basing on personal exp/ obs) than nonproductive potheads; doesn't make sense to me to treat them differently. My mom (who's the most responsible & unselfish & giving person I've ever known) won't drink; her dad was an abusive alcoholic, and left her with a severe aversion to even the THOUGHT of drinking alcohol. She has a very stressful job; leaves work only to give of herself, without limits, to her kids/ grandkids/ friends/ friends' kids... if she's stressed out & can't sleep, & smokes a joint to relax (which, on occasion, she does)... I'd like her to be no more a 'criminal' than if she had a glass of chablis: I think the two are equivalent in every way, except legally -- which is a crazy state of affairs!
I do agree with you that if smoking pot is ALL you do, it's a problem! but that goes for legal substances, too... I just would like an equivalent standard, for equivalent chemistry. :)
i guess i see what your saying... there probably are way more alcoholics than pot heads... it is illegal though for the most part unless you need it for "medical" reasons
I'm not really arguing AGAINST any of that, AP... I just think it's incredibly hypocritical and non-logical to treat MJ differently than other drugs of equivalent potency. I've not ever seen a study indicating that THC is MORE harmful than alcohol or tobacco; making one of these illegal & the other ones not is just, imo, stupid. Yes, like any drug, it can sometimes have negative effects, depending on a variety of factors -- but so can other stuff MORE harmful yet legal, and so can drugs (with far more serious side effects/ potential for harm) that are perfectly legal to prescribe: hydrocodone, codeine, morphine, etc. etc. etc. I DON'T think legalizing marijuana would lead to more negative effects than what we're doing now; I think everyone who wants to should be able to keep like 'up to 3 plants' (or whatever limit we wanna set)... I think it should be one of many prescriptions options, based on sound clinical research; and that should be the only time it's legal to sell. If people could grow it, recreational users (who, imo, have the right to use it even if others don't think it's a good idea -- just like alcohol/ tobacco) wouldn't risk jail for buying something that grows right out of the dirt -- put a plant in your sun-room, & you're set! So the violence inherent in current drug-running culture would evaporate, at least as regards this humble herb.
I just think it's reasonable to expect equivalent laws for equivalent substances... and by everything I've read or observed, MJ seems equivalent to (or LESS harmful! than!) alcohol/ tobacco; and it is clearly less potentially harmful than many of the prescription medications we consider legal. So I think it would be imminently reasonable to treat marijuana as equivalent to either one of these two groups of substances, under the law; pretending it's equivalent to heroin & crystal meth (i.e. so dangerous that it can't be safely used under any circumstances, and must be illegal for citizens' protection) to me, is just ridiculous.
I live in Holland where it and every other drug is legal to possess, but not to grow your own. I don't smoke it. My husband is 1/2 Spanish and 1/2 Dutch and he's never even smoked a cigarette.
Just because it is legal doesn't mean that everyone does it here. It's a small part of the population just like everywhere else, only it's legal here.
There is no drug testing at work or any of that stuff. My husband works for the Dutch government and pot brownies have been served at a work do. He had part of one by accident which ended up pretty funny.
Where did you hear that marijuana is mostly harmless?
:nono: Wrong emphasis: that's not my point. I'm saying, "Show me hard data that it's MORE harmful than that which is already legal, and I'll agree that it should not be." Please include: direct health problems, especially life-threatening ones (liver/ lungs/ heart, as compared to alcohol/ ciggies/ all prescription meds); toxic effect on others (cigarettes); unpredictable side effects (organ failure/ seizures/ etc., multiple prescription meds); and strength of addictive potential (nicotine, opiates). Also, of course, you'd need data demonstrating that there is never any therapeutic effect that might make it worth using as a treatment for anyone, for any reason.
Otherwise, it's not a government issue whether or not people ingest it.
Also: I have to say, you seem very willing to gloss over the side effects of prescription meds, to support your position... we allow prescription of some really potentially hazardous stuff, sometimes b/c therapeutic value trumps (i.e. morphine for an amputee post-surgery), and sometimes b/c the marketing folks say we should (frequent urination, hair loss, erectile dysfunction!)... we're willing to tolerate quite a lot of drugs WAY more dangerous than pot!
Regarding the south... yeah, we might drive you nuts! but, when it's 110 in the shade, 'fast' is the enemy! :)
I just think it's incredibly hypocritical and non-logical to treat MJ differently than other drugs of equivalent potency.
I just think it's reasonable to expect equivalent laws for equivalent substances... and by everything I've read or observed, MJ seems equivalent to (or LESS harmful! than!) alcohol/ tobacco; and it is clearly less potentially harmful than many of the prescription medications we consider legal. So I think it would be imminently reasonable to treat marijuana as equivalent to either one of these two groups of substances, under the law; pretending it's equivalent to heroin & crystal meth (i.e. so dangerous that it can't be safely used under any circumstances, and must be illegal for citizens' protection) to me, is just ridiculous.
This is the crux of the matter to me. Everyone's personal views not withstanding, this is what it boils down to. We need consistency in laws and regulations.
Also, it comes down to the fact that if something is illegal, then a black market is created. If it it legitimized and legalized, that market can be regulated and observed. This decreases violence because the system is monitored.
Jesus Christ is anyone sober anymore? Haha or am I the only one
Jesus Christ is anyone sober anymore? Haha or am I the only one
Yes. You are the only one in the world. ::)
Jesus Christ is anyone sober anymore? Haha or am I the only one
nah, i'm still with ya!
Jesus Christ is anyone sober anymore? Haha or am I the only one
sobriety's for quitters.
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