PETA ad compares bus beheading to animal slaughter
Posted by happypanda on Aug 07, 2008 · Member since Jan 2007 · 324 posts
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/06/peta-mclean.html?ref=rss
I'm sorry, but this is exactly why I hate PETA. The incident on the bus just happened a week ago and they are putting out this ad? It's extremely insensitive to the family of the man who was killed and to everyone else who is still dealing with the shock.
If you're outside of Canada you might not have heard about the killing on the bus...if not here is the story:
OK--the PETA thing aside for a second--that has got to be one of the most horrific stories I have ever heard! I am practically speechless--I don't even know what to say about violence that extream and random. It makes me sad--profoundly sad.
Yea--I agree, PETA shouldn't be using that to further their aims. I think a major problem with PETA and their campaigns is that they consistentely show disrespect for humans--either like this by not considering the family of the slain man, or by exploiting women, or whatever. How can people be expected to respect animals and treat them gently and humanely if we can't even do that for ourselves?
Oh PETA--seems like they make a little progress to improve their reputation and then they jump about a hundred steps back...
I very much dislike PETA and the HSUS. It seems to me their goal is shock value-not truly the welfare of animals. The HSUS spends so much of it's donation money campaigning for more donations-I seriously get at least 2 letters a week from them asking me to donate and become a member.
I also dislike that the HSUS parades itself like it's linked to the local Humane Societies-and they dont-meanwhile they have enough money to alleviate the stresses and strains of caring for these homeless animals in each and every Human Society shelter in the US-100x over. Sad huh? Donate locally-at least your money will actually be used towards the animals.
I believe that these orgs started out with the best of intentions-and now they have lost sight of what they truly believed in. Exploiting a human who just several weeks ago lost his life in a horrible accident for what you believe is the welfare of your organization is sick. They pull stunts like this and expect us to listen to them?
That is truly the most horrible thing I have ever read. So very horrible! :'( :'(
I can't even comment on the PETA thing, all I can think about is the terrifying way in which this young man lost his life.
It is truly horrible....you wouldn't expect something like this to happen anywhere, let alone on a bus to Manitoba. I still can't believe it happened.
I was expecting a backlash because I said I hated PETA so I'm glad to see that others are on the same page as me. I agree 100% that PETA seems to focus more on shock value than animal welfare. The message behind their campaigns may be good but it is overshadowed by the way they choose to put the message out there.
Yea--I agree, PETA shouldn't be using that to further their aims. I think a major problem with PETA and their campaigns is that they consistentely show disrespect for humans--either like this by not considering the family of the slain man, or by exploiting women, or whatever. How can people be expected to respect animals and treat them gently and humanely if we can't even do that for ourselves?
Oh PETA--seems like they make a little progress to improve their reputation and then they jump about a hundred steps back...
Bingo. 100% agreed. >:(
This was extremely insensitive of PETA. Of course, to be sensitive, you must first have sense.
I do think they have a valid point though. It really isn't any different, what happened to that young man and what happens to animals that people consume.. But that topic would have been much better brought up as a hypothetical considerably down the road than as a direct connection now.
PETA gives AR activists a really bad name, and while I agree with many of the things they say, the public isn't ready. Animal rights needs to be approached in more of a gentle way, and much less reactionary to get people to actually pay attention.
This was extremely insensitive of PETA. Of course, to be sensitive, you must first have sense.
I do think they have a valid point though. It really isn't any different, what happened to that young man and what happens to animals that people consume.. But that topic would have been much better brought up as a hypothetical considerably down the road than as a direct connection now.
PETA gives AR activists a really bad name, and while I agree with many of the things they say, the public isn't ready. Animal rights needs to be approached in more of a gentle way, and much less reactionary to get people to actually pay attention.
Yup. I agree. There ARE truths to their comparison. But that type of ad shows (1) total lack of tact and respect, (2) total disregard for the mindsets and attitudes of their audience, (3) total lack of foresight for how the ad reflects on them as stewards of the AR movement. It's times like this (well, all the time, really) that peta reminds me of a poorly executed marketing campaign made by a high school business class.
I heard about this incident last week. It truly is saddening, terrible, horrifying...it's hard to fathom that this type of senseless violence happens.
It's also hard to imagine everyone just fleeing off of the bus and not helping this poor guy. Indifference and fear are two awful things too. Of course, I wasn't there and shouldn't judge, but I'm confident a group of people could've overtaken this psychopath.
PETA using this for personal gain for the 'cause'? Shame on you, PETA. I'm all about animal welfare, but I'm also about human welfare. I mean, we're animals too. This is too fresh in the minds of the victim's family and witnesses. Moreso, I don't think it's right to use a rare incident like this as a means to shock, scare, offend, and disgust the general public into vegetarianism, but then again, I don't like the videos on PETA's website. There are many ways to persuade others that are more effective. This kind of campaign is only going to hurt PETA and make us vegetarians look heartless.
Tim McLean is not a martyr, nor should he be for this.
Off topic, kind of, I saw that story. It said people watched the guy get stabbed about 60 times. How could a group of people watch that and not do anything? People are souless nowadays.
About PETA: I said this in the other thread. I don't want to discount the progress they have made just because they're idiots 90% of the time. The 10% benefit is work that other people aren't accomplishing, and is 10% more than if they weren't around. Saying that everything they do is bad is like saying that if you can't be a perfect vegan (I guess that would be a naked breatharian with a filter mask), you shouldn't try at all.
In this case, PETA once again gives people a reason to dismiss the "radical" veg*ns and animal welfare issues.
Yea--I agree, PETA shouldn't be using that to further their aims. I think a major problem with PETA and their campaigns is that they consistentely show disrespect for humans--either like this by not considering the family of the slain man, or by exploiting women, or whatever. How can people be expected to respect animals and treat them gently and humanely if we can't even do that for ourselves?
Oh PETA--seems like they make a little progress to improve their reputation and then they jump about a hundred steps back...
Bingo. 100% agreed. >:(
OMG! I almost feel out of bed when I read that KMK! You never agree with me--and cetainly not 100% ;D ;D ;D I feel so special now!! :)>>>
See, this is what gets me about the extreme, militant AR groups/individuals. You get this message that basically says all humans should just disappear and leave the world to the animals. Put out by--hey--humans. What--are the extremists the only exception? If these particular humans feel so strongly about it, they may leave the planet at any time, in any way of their choosing. I won't stand in their way. But if you're really about compassion for all living things, that should indeed include compassion toward members of your own species.
In individuals, being an obnoxious person who disrespects others and treats them with contempt does nothing to further their supposed cause. They're just using that particular platform to excuse their behaviour. If it weren't AR it might be anything--politics, religion, whatever.
This is the kind of thing that makes me want to run a similar ad by compassionate vegans-like us! So that people don't think all vegans and animal rights people are like PETA people. They really give us a bad name! That was really stupid of them...what were they trying to accomplish? When I was in college doing activism, it was always the well-thought out, compassionate approach that worked. Shock value usually just turns people off.
I agree!
That story is so horrific it is beyond words. Whomever thought of that campaign for PETA is a bloody fool. http://forums.fitnessreference.com/images/smilies/banner.gif
I just went on their site, signed up, and posted a comment. It was really easy to do if anyone else feels so inclined... I think it is important to represent the SANE veg*ns as well!!