1.) I don't really understand WHY lysine requirements are in mg/g of protein consumed, because it makes no sense (I would agree with fb it should be by weight, as is the general protein requirement), but I am taking you up on your challenge to get 51mg/g without the isolated soy shit and less protein overall in your diet (at least you realize you are eating WAY to much protein. which, btw, shouldn't just be passed over as ok)... I just did it EASILY if my maths are correct. Please someone share with me how I can do a screen capture and show you how.

2.) I used cron-o-meter. Why do you want everyone to use the software you wrote? You can email me a copy and I would be happy to look it over, as I have used a lot of nutritional programs since I have my degree in nutrition.

3.) since this thread is being used for the betterment of vegan health, apparently, I'll let you know that I think what you are doing to "get enough lysine" is really unhealthy.

nm, i figured out how to save screens..... here you are m'dear.. 73mg lysine/g protein and 6.1% protein macronutrient breakdown.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/hespedal/cron2.png
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/hespedal/cron1.png
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/hespedal/cron3.png

I don't know why I spent so long doing this. BTW, in case you think my protein req. is too low, I'm 120 lbs/ 54.5kg... USDA reqs. 0.8g/kg BW so 0.8x54.5=43.63g

-hespedal

ok, here is the photobucket link, you can zoom in http://s268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/hespedal/?action=view&current=cron3.png

I'm just gonna leave this here and be on my way: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/protein#lys

and this thread got 100% more awesome with hespy in it

Agreed. I was waiting for her to find this.

I truly enjoyed reading this thread (just as it is) for many reasons. I do have a question though. Does anyone ever wonder if something as basic and vital as food needs to be so endlessly complex? Do we really need to be master surfers on the treacherous waters of dietary life to ensure we don't drown by way of the tiniest oversight that may have also escaped every single atom of the brightest scientist's electron microscope? Don't answer that yet....

When first eating a vegetarian diet (for about a year) and now vegan (for only a few months) I was scrambling around trying to ensure the precise amount of this semi-obscure nutrient and this blood level of that little known preventor of a disease no one ever dies from. All the debate and information sources masked the whole mess. Who was right? Who was wrong? Damn it! Why did I choose a career in computer science when I could have spent 2 decades in the bowels of libraries pouring over health and nutritional research?!? I'm such an idiot!!!

One of things I started doing - perhaps bowing to the "where do you get your protein, hmmm?" meat eater questions - was drinking 60 grams of protein in a shake every day, in addition to a normal, healthy, plentiful diet void of animal products. You know, just in case, cause there is NO WAY that WAY too much of something essential could ever hurt me, right? Well, I became bloated and heavy feeling (was actually dropping weight, but feeling heavy) and disillusioned. Why didn't all this dry, lifeless protein void of every gram of any other nutrient with all the fiber chemically or mechanically forced from it not make me feel better? I wasn't sure; so I stopped it all.

What helped? The awesome article by Dr. Leslie van Romer, "Do Elephants Eat Cows?" Yes, I know most of us are probably familiar with it. But it helps on a level today that make so much sense to me. We are not meant to be bio-chemists and nutritional research scientists to survive and be happy and healthy on this planet. I am firmly convinced of this!

So fine, we relegate the bulk of the boring research to the nerds (no offense to bio-chemists, seriously!) and we will just lap up what they dish out. Right? WRONG! Why? Well, because 1) we have to be half a biologist just to read what they come up with, 2) the media and goverment and drug companies (and infinite interest groups) latch onto whatever it is and play endless, mostly out of tune and poorly timed public health jazz solos with it, and 3) ALL the information is either in conflict with or seriously calls into question a vast body of previous research, all of which has gone through the same sick jazz solo cycle.

So, the most important point for me in van Romer's article, and really my only point here, other than I love to read my own writing: why would an elephant ever be required (by "god" or life or a universal creator or higher power or *whatever*) to figure out which foods contain which amounts of which branch chain amino acids, complete protein chains, high lipo density, low lipo suction, micro and macro nutrients...blah blah blah, to feed itself? Why? Well, the sane conclusion is: it wouldn't! Ever!

Now we know the b12 thing and we can easily compensate - although another pin head (seriously, no offense! I am on a roll of hyperbole so I beg leeway) will come out with a finding that says that it's lack (or over consumption) of XYZ (lysine, sunshine, smiles, whatever) that causes problems with B12 uptake, not lack of the nutrient itself. <--- I know, I am speculating, but who isn't speculating when it comes to looking at government and private interest funded scientific studies to learn how to eat? - something as basic as drinking water or blinking or...well, I will withhold the perhaps more vivid basic bodily functions, (at least for now, until someone in this thread pisses me off ;)

Am I a blind follower? Am I a simpleton? Am I naive? Am I lazy? Perhaps...I'm not sure! Am I without a doubt the healthiest I have been in my 42 years on Earth? Yes! Do I feel good and love my diet and know that healthy, fresh food and water will provide most if not all of my nutritional needs? Yes. Wow, what a peaceful feeling! Has any amount of discussion, reading or research about any nutrient ever yeiled such results? No.

Ok, I'm done for now - yeah, eventually I collapse under the weightlessness of my own arguments, all that is required of the reader is patience ;) Cheers!

:)... a smile for you, in case you are deficient ;)

ROFL! Thank you! I am just surprised anyone was bored enough to get that far into it ;)

well, i believe the same thing you do, if you couldn't tell by my posts..

I did, at least at the fundamental level.

A confession: I spend hours and hours researching vitamins, and nutrients, and biochemical processes. This layman's research more just gives me something to fill in the time voided by not having to read/research the 10000 chemicals on the labels of processed food in my old diet. Also I am just interested in it. But, as the rabbit hole gets infinitely more complex, I always fall back to: if an elephant doesn't have to know, then neither do I. It keeps me sane and prevents me (most of the time) from being too zealous with meat eaters.

Also, I checked out some info from Tim Van Orden. He seems in perfect health. He was saying tracking all this protein and nutrients is a myth - a habit from the old diet. So far I've found it to be true.

remember how there was a someone who provided a way to get lysine, on a raw diet no less? And then there was that person who provided a thorough article on the subject, full of tables and things.

I didn't feel very emotional while reading those, but hey, I'm stoic. I got the impression they were well-founded, but what do I know.

Then there was a couple of musings of personal philosophy on these sorts of things. That was cool, and wasn't really directed at anyone. That came off as neutral to me.

So...?

But while we're quoting random things, I'll give it a shot
"cumin has a bit of a BO component to its scent, IMO." ~ faunablues

"It was then that I knew that I'd had enough..." -- Pocahontas, Neil Young

It's completely awesome to see Neil quoted (but those lyrics are from Thrasher).

Note:  This doesn't mark my entry into the conversation.  I was just excited to see Neil mentioned.