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California Prop 8 - same sex marriage

this is a fun commercial i got from a friend on myspace. it hits the point on the head. my advisor has a comic in her office about how GM is used as a "distraction" from issues that really matter. here in NY, we won't marry but we do recognize marriages form other states and nations. there is a group trying to get that tossed saying that, essentially, "citizens tax money shouldn't go to pay for benefits of ss couples since the marriages aren't granted in ny"

total bullshit. how come it is okay for my queer ass to pay out taxes (i do pay them, my "fair share" even) but i don't even have the full rights of citizenship? fuck that. but you know if i stopped paying they would have my ass in trouble soo fast.

http://www.youtube.com/v/4qa8rDqKz9w&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&fs=1

Since I don't have TV I'm missing all of the good commercials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU4udzEbcdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAuoixO4GVE

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hahahah hh that second one is hilarious.

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I have been uprooting YES on Prop 8 signs everywhere in my town.

Also, are these real commercials? I haven't seen any of them!

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Love the "icky" one!  ;D

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Read at your own risk of being disappointed in people.

Don't hand me my ass.  These are only a few of the comments about same sex relationships are what I've faced on the other boards, in addition to actual Biblical references:

- The entire lifestyle is disgusting at best. No less, the subject disturbs me than if we were talking about marrying your goat.

- Why don't we, while we are at it, legalize cocaine and meth.  After all, speed freaks have rights too.

- Those of us who find this subject repulsive have constitutional rights as well.

- traditional clergy would be REQUIRED to perform same-sex marriages against their beliefs, morals, and principles.

- Since God (at least the God of Christians) finds homosexuality abhorable, why is that homosexuals try to hard to alter the definition of a term inherently from God himself.

- The narrow decision of the State Supreme Court effectively renders all civil marriage meaningless and will result in tremendous confusion for children.

- I venture to guess you will not be satisfied until, instead of watching reproduction videos in the 4th and 6th grades, children are required to watch videos of homosexual intercourse.

- I would venture to guess that, if proposition 8 fails and the definition is subject to alteration, that future alterations will first be tolerated, and then embraced. This may include incest, or worse.

- does this also mean that the state ban on polygamy should also be found to be unconstitutional ? Presumably, large numbers of the polygamists of the Fundamentalist LDS sects would view their relationship as consenting, shouldn't they also be entitled to the same privileges as people who want to marry only a single person at a time ?

- Nonetheless, western civilization has generally only granted official recognition and, thus approval, of heterosexual marriages between a single man and a single women. By granting the state's approval, and thus society approval to this sort of relationship has been thought to foster stable families, result in more children etc.

- Marriage is ordained is from God, and God does not condone your actions, therefore you cannot be "married."

- To me, the definition of Marriage should be based on it's origins, which are routed in ancient Christianity.

- The supreme court is trying to put definitions on terms loaded with principle, moral, and tradition, based in religious belief. I consider this to be a violation of my rights.

- I am going to find a way to marry my dog, that is my right and I am going to take this one to the top, and I am going to expand the meaning of marriage to include dogs, since dogs are important and shouldn't be left out of the meaning of marriage, oh and cats, and lizards too. Anything else I should throw in when I file my lawsuit?

- Therefore, you can imagine that the lawsuit-happy activsits (ACLU....YUCKKKK) will be there to save the day for the samesex couple who tried to get married at a religious institution.

- Since most teachers are liberal, it will become part of the curriculum, as it already has in Los Angeles County School District. This they will do because it is not against the law. Surely, other, of not all, school districts will follow in order to avoid your lawsuit-happy contingency.

- The bottom line in the opposition of Prop 8, it is a disgusting and un-natural act against nature.  And don't hand me the argument that they have no choice, they were born this way. It is a choice just like it is a choice to drink vodka or smoke crack, or rape babies or set a forest fire.

- I read in those two paragraphs is "Yes, we acknowledge that marriage is deeply rooted in faith and principle, but we don't really give a rat's .... because we feel that individuals going against the grain in society should be spared dignity." There is still no logical or legal basis for their opinion, only sympathy, only activism. Again, should a man who wants to marry his dog be spared dignity?

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HH, some of those are hilarious! I especially enjoy the one about legalizing meth. A+

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i guess as they say: if you don't like ss marriage, then DON"T HAVE ONE!

i love the commercials. heh heh.

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No.  That was covered.  If it isn't clear in grade school that marriage is only between a man and a woman then little Johnny will be confused, ignore any girl-lusting hormones, and marry a man. 

Of course, some of us might be egging people on because we're kind of smart asses.  It's fun toying with them because they're such easy marks.

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If this passes I'm going to be so fuckin' pissed off.

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I've seen a few signs  >:(

I guess I understand the sentiment more coming from religious people who understand marriage as "their" institution, believing that marriage is something that is decided by whatever religion and not the government. But even if this were the case, then the government couldn't ban same-sex marriage either, and even if the government recognizes it, not a single church/temple/whatnot has to. But in sum I guess I find religion a better excuse to "oppose" gay marriage than just thinking that it's abhorrent because, you know, "two dudes together? ewww!" but the problem is so many people who are homophobic first and religious second cling to the biblical reasons to justify their stance.

Anyway, somewhat related: the other day the "college republicans" club had a booth at my school. They're a new club this year - it's a small, new school (and it California, so the democrat club came a year before the republican one of course...), and I've seen their posters before - nothing too unusual - an elephant, a meeting time, whatever.
But for this particular day they had some new posters up, proclaiming "come out of the closet... as a republican!" and "it's ok to be republican!" etc, and the guy at the booth was using a megaphone to say the same things, asking passers by if they wanted to come out (as a republican).  >:( It completely upset me, because though I'm sure some of the conservative students feel a little weird surrounded by liberals in college, it's no comparison to all the crap/hatred/violence non-heterosexual people have had to endure and still endure. It was making light of all that, as though somehow these poor republicans have suffered at the same hand of injustice.
But I wasn't the only one who felt this way... I heard people ranting about it all day, and by the next morning the posters had been torn down. :/

(back on subject)
I'm kind of apathetic about voting for president - I figure California will go to Obama anyway - but I'm really really trying to get my absentee ballot done in time so I can vote against stupid prop 8. (oh, and for prop 2). (and against prop 4).

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The guy in the first video's a babe.

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The guy in the first video's a babe.

The guy in the suit?  ???

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The guy in the first video's a babe.

glad to see you've put a lot of thought into this subject.  ;)

but agreed... if the differences in logic between the two people in the first ad doesn't sway you, the relative looks will. I agree with the hot guy!

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i wonder if i'll ever get to vote for legalizing same sex marriage in my lifetime.  i live in texas.  hmmmm.

i dont know about this prop 8 thing.  but from what i gather, sam sex marriage is legal in california but now they want to ban it?  is that right?  or am i missing something.

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Good grief.  I posted about this and my post isn't showing.  I wonder if I posted in a random thread?  I made my first political donation to Kucinich and I just made my second political donation to the No on 8 campaign.  I wish I could have given more.

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I found it.  It was on the presidential thread.

Here's one of the latest comments from another board (in your face, kmk!):  I would prefer to remove all homo's from our community or make them register as sex offenders.  I wonder how that would work for bi people like me?  Could I register for kitchen items instead?

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i wonder if i'll ever get to vote for legalizing same sex marriage in my lifetime.  i live in texas.  hmmmm.

Don't feel bad.  Here in Florida same-sex marriage is illegal.  We're voting on an amendment that will be added "and it shall always remain illegal from now on regardless of what future laws might be passed to legalize it".  Crazy.

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i dont know about this prop 8 thing.  but from what i gather, sam sex marriage is legal in california but now they want to ban it?  is that right?  or am i missing something.

In May the California Supreme Court ruled (4 to 3) that the state Constitution protects a fundamental "right to marry" that extends equally to same-sex couples.  Keep in mind, that justices are conservatives, not liberals, so it's an especially big deal.  Prop 8 is a proposition to create a constitutional amendment to define marriage as only between a man and a woman.  It's pretty much a toss up right now about whether it will pass.  The people who want to amend the constitution are airing commercials that hype fear through misinterpretations and lies.

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I should also add that the CA Supreme Court ruled that sexual orientation is a protected class (which even Massachusetts doesn't have) and that marriage is a basic civil right that can't be withheld from a protected class. 

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