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would you eat meat if it were humanely raised and humanely slaughtered?

if there is such a thing as "humanely slaughtered".

Since becoming vegan I just don't like meat anymore. I don't miss it and I would much rather eat sesame crusted tofu or tempeh or grilled zucchini....I can just think of so many different options that I love to eat and meat isn't one of them. Neither is a hunk of cheddar cheese.

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no, I would not.  Killing is killing no matter how painlessly it is done.  Even if an animal feels no pain, I would still be taking away his/her life. 
I hate hearing people justify their meat/cheese/egg/chicken eating by "I buy grass-fed, or organic, free-range when I can." Today on my campus there was some kind of agricultural meeting with all of there animals. There was a calf in a little fenced in cage and all of these people oohing and ahhing at how cute it was.  I never know what and how to say things in these situations without people writing me off as radical or pushy but when the guy next to me was like "thats why I pay extra and only buy grass fed beef" I mentioned, (politely,) that there are not many regulations guarenteeing any kind of humane treatment of the animals.  And that they would all end up in the slaughter house anyways.  I asked if he ever had tried seitan or "fake meats" and even told him to check out vegweb for recipes. 

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no, I would not.  Killing is killing no matter how painlessly it is done.  Even if an animal feels no pain, I would still be taking away his/her life. 
I hate hearing people justify their meat/cheese/egg/chicken eating by "I buy grass-fed, or organic, free-range when I can." Today on my campus there was some kind of agricultural meeting with all of there animals. There was a calf in a little fenced in cage and all of these people oohing and ahhing at how cute it was.  I never know what and how to say things in these situations without people writing me off as radical or pushy but when the guy next to me was like "thats why I pay extra and only buy grass fed beef" I mentioned, (politely,) that there are not many regulations guarenteeing any kind of humane treatment of the animals.  And that they would all end up in the slaughter house anyways.  I asked if he ever had tried seitan or "fake meats" and even told him to check out vegweb for recipes. 

Is it just about being a bearer of life?
Or about sentience?

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no, I would not.  Killing is killing no matter how painlessly it is done.  Even if an animal feels no pain, I would still be taking away his/her life. 
I hate hearing people justify their meat/cheese/egg/chicken eating by "I buy grass-fed, or organic, free-range when I can." Today on my campus there was some kind of agricultural meeting with all of there animals. There was a calf in a little fenced in cage and all of these people oohing and ahhing at how cute it was.  I never know what and how to say things in these situations without people writing me off as radical or pushy but when the guy next to me was like "thats why I pay extra and only buy grass fed beef" I mentioned, (politely,) that there are not many regulations guarenteeing any kind of humane treatment of the animals.  And that they would all end up in the slaughter house anyways.  I asked if he ever had tried seitan or "fake meats" and even told him to check out vegweb for recipes. 

Nice 'everyday activism'!  ;)b

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even though this question being posed to a vegan/vegetarian community yields mostly  the same "f no" response, i am thrilled with the attitudes being changed due to docs like "food inc" becoming mainstream.

i've been working on my mom (who cooks the dinner) about giving up meat for YEARS.  eventually i gave up because i was turning into a militant and all my lectures were falling on deaf ears, despite the fact that i was very conscious about trying not to be preachy.

I've backed off a bit, but still recommend books and docs that I find interesting.

GUESS WHO CALLED ME TODAY TO SAY THAT SHE HAS GIVEN UP RED MEAT and has never felt better.  WOOT!  Please bear in mind, they live in the midwest and it's not really considered dinner (or lunch or breakfast) if it doesn't include meat.

She also said she will be buying chicken from local farmers, no longer supporting Tyson and Purdue.

I'm a little hesitant to even post this, because I know there will be some who are going to say "that's not enough".  But I started off vegetarian, eventually sliding into veganism, so my mom (and thus family) may very well follow suit after they adjust to their healthier way of eating and feel the benefits of it.

I don't think an all or nothing approach is going to work, if the goal is to encourage people to eliminate all animal-sources from their lives.

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no AP! any bit is a huge step! once you get those gears grinding just pray they keep going... i think people just want to be in their little bubbles... once you find that one thing that get's to them the walls will come down... any small change in anyone giving up any animal products saves animals... keep it up girl!

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AP: I live in the Midwest, and I think it's kind of hard to do anything different, including semi-vegetarianism. I gave up red meat when I was 11, and I was absolutely slaughtered in elementary school for being different (now I look back and think that wasn't even a baby step in the right direction!). It takes small steps sometimes, especially when you're going against the grain so profoundly. I'm proud of your mom. It makes me laugh, because I can tell my parents all day how bad meat is and it it falls on deaf ears. Then they hear a report on The Today Show or something stupid like that, and all of a sudden they're trying to be healthier and whatnot! It just can't come from us, for some reason!

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I don't think an all or nothing approach is going to work, if the goal is to encourage people to eliminate all animal-sources from their lives.

Completely completely completely agree! The thing is, someone has to be spiritually/ mentally in a receptive place, before the information is meaningful & useful to them... it's the same info that you were sharing before; but now, for whatever reason, your mom's ready to consider and respond to it... Once someone is ready to do this, continued growth & exploration seem likely. Some folks seem to respond well to an absolute overnight switch; but I think that is really really really not the norm... mostly it seems to be a more gradual process, which I think deserves support & kudos EVERY step of the way. Woot, your mom! (and you, for your patience & support!)

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I've avoided this thread because hypotheticals elevate my blood pressure, but I realized a concrete answer (which you probably discussed on page 2):  I wouldn't eat meat.  I'm much healthier getting protein from non-cholesterol, non-saturated fat sources.  It wouldn't make sense to backpedal my health.  I don't think you can kill humanely, so that part is a definite no, but not even if it was test tube meat.

eta:  This is way before I even get to the ethical considerations, which become irrlevant.

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mmm... test tube meat...

my mouth is watering already.

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no, I would not.  Killing is killing no matter how painlessly it is done.  Even if an animal feels no pain, I would still be taking away his/her life. 
I hate hearing people justify their meat/cheese/egg/chicken eating by "I buy grass-fed, or organic, free-range when I can." Today on my campus there was some kind of agricultural meeting with all of there animals. There was a calf in a little fenced in cage and all of these people oohing and ahhing at how cute it was.  I never know what and how to say things in these situations without people writing me off as radical or pushy but when the guy next to me was like "thats why I pay extra and only buy grass fed beef" I mentioned, (politely,) that there are not many regulations guarenteeing any kind of humane treatment of the animals.  And that they would all end up in the slaughter house anyways.  I asked if he ever had tried seitan or "fake meats" and even told him to check out vegweb for recipes. 

Nice 'everyday activism'!  ;)b

thanks Aggplanta, that encounter is what inspired me to make that thread.  I hate those situations, I just tend to freeze up and wish I said something differently...I always end up feeling like a wimp or a bitch

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Nope, no way. "humanely slaughtered" is still killing.

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Nope, no way. "humanely slaughtered" is still killing.

would you kill an insect?  not a little annoying one... but like a big kinda cute one... like say, a praying mantis?

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Then they hear a report on The Today Show or something stupid like that, and all of a sudden they're trying to be healthier and whatnot! It just can't come from us, for some reason!

TOTALLY.  I mean, I know Dr. Oz went to med school, as opposed to film school (...derr), but I'm not as dumb as I look.  Also, add in the fact that I've been the liberal black sheep of the family since I was about 4 (give or take a decade), and they take everything I say with a large grain of delicious kosher salt.  My mom has suddenly become really interested in food/nutrition/factory "farming"/etc. and even called me after she watched Food, Inc. on pbs.org (of her own volition).  I'm so happy she's seen the light.  My dad is comfortable in the dark, it seems, and may be supplementing his now-more-veggie-friendly diet with some Jimmy Dean Sausage Cancer Biscuits (....vom).  Some horses you can't even lead to water.

Thank you, VeganRun, AML, and HCM for your support.  I'll keep working on those stubborn horses...

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It doesn't really bother me when people eat humanely raised animals, or animals they hunted themselves, but I personally wouldn't do it.

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Nope, no way. "humanely slaughtered" is still killing.

would you kill an insect?  not a little annoying one... but like a big kinda cute one... like say, a praying mantis?

I have no problem killing a pest that I feel is putting me in danger somehow.
On the other hand if I see an insect, not doing any harm or damage to me, I'll tend to cautiously get rid of it best I can without harming it.

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No, there is no such thing as "humanely slaughtered". It's as big an oxymoron as you can find. I don't even like to kill any kind of bug that gets into my house.

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No, there is no such thing as "humanely slaughtered". It's as big an oxymoron as you can find. I don't even like to kill any kind of bug that gets into my house.

What about killing that's done in the interests of the subject that is being killed? AKA Euthanasia.

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No, there is no such thing as "humanely slaughtered". It's as big an oxymoron as you can find. I don't even like to kill any kind of bug that gets into my house.

What about killing that's done in the interests of the subject that is being killed? AKA Euthanasia.

I don't consider euthanasia as slaughter. It's a personal choice.

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No, there is no such thing as "humanely slaughtered". It's as big an oxymoron as you can find. I don't even like to kill any kind of bug that gets into my house.

What about killing that's done in the interests of the subject that is being killed? AKA Euthanasia.

I don't consider euthanasia as slaughter. It's a personal choice.

So if a cow is in a lot of pain and will clearly live the rest of it's life in these massive amounts of pain, because it can't consent like we can, you don't feel we should put it out of it's misery?

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