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A Vegan No More

                                                      http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/

What does everyone make of this? She appears to have come under alot of fire, although so many comments are supportive. I don't really want to get into her personal choices and whether or not they were right or wrong but this struck a bit of fear in me.  I hope I never have problems with my health and need to return to an omni diet. I'm still not really sure why it was animal product that restored her health and would be interested in the science behind that. At the very least I suppose it shows how vegan or omni there's alot of information out there that can support whatever "side" you're on so maybe it just depends on what you want to read.

Okay, did anyone actually read it all the way through? It really doesn't seem worth it, but Minke you deserve a shout out because I was relieved it was taken down by the time I decided to look at it.

I probably  still won't read it all because I think it would annoy the shit out of me, but yeah I read a lot before going vegetarian and vegan and most cookbooks, especially for newcomers have a section about health and nutrition so, I don't get why she was so confused about what to do. Or why she would listen to other people who have no idea about veganism at all.

I read it all the way through.

There are a tremendous number of inconsistencies. xD

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When the doctor first told me that I had numerous vitamin and mineral deficiencies, that I was almost anemic, and my B12 was so low she wanted to give me an injection immediately, I refused to believe her.

Almost anemic? Aw, diddums. Need a B12 shot? IIRC Sharway was in the same position... she's still vegan. Just taking B12 shots. IIRC.

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Holy fuck that's a long write-up.

You didn't read it before?

I got thru Genesis..I mean Part 1.. and lost interest.

Best comment ever.

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Holy fuck that's a long write-up.

You didn't read it before?

I got thru Genesis..I mean Part 1.. and lost interest.

Best comment ever.

Thank you. *takes bow*

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PM, you are one of my favorite vegwebbers, you know that?

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PM, you are one of my favorite vegwebbers, you know that?

Hehehe. I didn't know that. But I thank you. :)  

(I sure hope fufuberry and intheend aren't using sarcasm on me. ;) )

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I got thru Genesis..I mean Part 1.. and lost interest.

Same. Complete shite

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I got thru Genesis..I mean Part 1.. and lost interest.

Same. Complete shite

Agreed.

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When the doctor first told me that I had numerous vitamin and mineral deficiencies, that I was almost anemic, and my B12 was so low she wanted to give me an injection immediately, I refused to believe her.

Almost anemic? Aw, diddums. Need a B12 shot? IIRC Sharway was in the same position... she's still vegan. Just taking B12 shots. IIRC.

This is an awesome comment, and really sums it up. Instead of getting a better supplement, or going with the shot, she just gave up and started eating bacon drizzled in cheese for nearly every meal? I would MUCH rather have the shot. :\

For someone who pretty recently was passing out copies of the China Study and saying veganism was the absolute best way to live, it doesn't seem like she fought very hard for it when she discovered her health wasn't ideal.

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Okay, I tried reading it again and there are just wayyy too many inconsistencies and plain old bullshit that I had to stop. Something really jumps out at me as this being not real. Or mostly fabricated. And extremely dumb.

I was anemic earlier this year (not almost) and ate lentils and kale. All better. Need B vitamins? Eat your whole grains, among MANY other things. Done. B12 deficiency? First, I'd like to know what the hell kind of vitamins she takes for years and has absolutely no affect on her body? But anyway Red Star nutritional yeast is one I can think of right off the bat. And you really don't need that much since it is stored by the body.

Yeah this is complete shit. I have half a mind to e-mail her this thread if that shit (I'm guessing, but probably right if she's the only one posting) site back up.

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k I went to load the link and the site is down until next year it says

"Voracious Eats...
Because Life is Yummy
Voracious Eats.com is down for a little scheduled maintenance for the holiday. We'll look to get back on track early in 2011. Have a great holiday and I'll talk to you then! "

I guess i will throw my two cents in:  I followed a vegan diet for well over a year. My health improved more than you could imagine, I was even a raw food vegan for quite sometime (probably would still be if I could afford it!) I will admit I do follow a veggie diet, that includes honey and eggs. Not because I have some psychotic fear of dying or becoming unhealthy without animal products but because its what is making me content at the moment. Good bad or indifferent I  believe what you do in life is your own business. But if you're going to be an idiot about your diet and it makes you sick, don't go blaming it on your diet. Blame yourself.

without being able to actually read the story I can't really rant much more. I can add this though.  When I was eating an omni diet, my blood levels were WAY outta balance. After being raw/veg and even now with eating the eggs, I can tell you I am just fine. No suppliments, no fancy superfoods, nothing. I'm not some protein/fat starved sickly vegetarian. Why? Because I know what my body needs or what my body wants within moderation.

Common Sense (which is not so common) really does go a long way..
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Fay- see page 3.

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Hi Folks. 

I'm new to VegWeb, so I'm a little late to join in this discussion.  I read most of "A Vegan No More", and I have to be honest, these kinds of stories scare the heck out of me.  Even though I strongly believe that it's the ethical destiny of mankind to forgo eating animals, I think it's possible that it's not biologically suitable to every person.  I hope I'm never confronted with a situation like the author's.

What turned me off about the author's account was not that she decided to eat animals again to restore her health, but the celebratory nature of her decision.  No matter how great she felt after reintroducing animal foods into her diet, it's baffling to me that it was not more of a somber occasion for her.  Granted, she talks about how her first meal was accompanied by sobs of grief, etc., but then shortly after she seems to put all that behind her and embrace her decision whole-heartedly.  It's strange to me.  If you believe animals are sentient beings, and worthy of our ethical consideration, then how could eating them not be a sad experience?  If I was faced with having to eat meat again to be healthy, it would never cease to be a painful experience for me, even if I felt better physically.

Because of stories like "A Vegan No More" and that book by Lierre Keith which I never actually read, but only perused, I find myself scanning my body for symptoms of deficiency.  I'll think to myself, "That woman had a heart murmur.  I have a heart murmur!".  But then I remember "Oh wait, I was diagnosed with the heart murmur when I was a teen, and eating meat every day".  It's easy, at least for me, to become paranoid about this sort of thing.  Are my hands cold every day because I have a B12 deficiency, or is it because it's winter, and it's damn cold?  Am I feeling fatigued today because I'm low in iron, or is it because I did 5 1/2 hours of massage yesterday at work?  It's so easy to obsess about this kind of stuff (at least it is for me), and with so many differing opinions about what the human body needs to be healthy, it's no wonder that people are confused. 

All I know is that being vegan gives me such a profound sense of peace, and makes me feel more human.  To have to turn my back on that would be devastating.       

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Luckily, there's no rule here against joining discussions late.  ;)

There are so many logical inconsistencies in this (& Keith's) work, I hate to see them trouble you at all... eat a variety of real/ whole food; take a daily vegan multi like 'Deva'... exercise a bit... I think you'll be fine. BUT: even if you ever DID 'need' animal food-- which idea is wholly unsupported in the works under discussion-- you would still not need to eat creatures. There's no magic ingredient in meat; Ms Keith et al could choose eggs or dairy, still be vegetarian, and at least keep their impact *less*, even if (and this is an almost mind-bending stretch) any of their actual points were based in reality whatsoever. So: worst case scenario, you still wouldn't have to be like them.  :-)

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So true!  Thanks for the reassurance.  I love this place!  :)

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I was reading an article today on gluten intolerance, because I know quite a few people who struggle with this condition.  It made me think back to this forum topic, because many of the symptoms associated with gluten intolerance that were described in the article sounded a great deal like what the woman who wrote "A Vegan No More" was experiencing.  And this would make sense since she very likely upped her intake of wheat products as a vegan.  Just a thought.

Here's an extract:

"First, let’s be clear about what gluten intolerance is. It isn’t a food allergy. It’s a physical condition in your gut. Basically, undigested gluten proteins (prevalent in wheat and other grains) hang out in your intestines and are treated by your body like a foreign invader, irritating your gut and flattening the microvilli along the small intestine wall. Without those microvilli, you have considerably less surface area with which to absorb the nutrients from your food. This leads sufferers to experience symptoms of malabsorption, including chronic fatigue, neurological disorders, nutrient deficiencies, anemia, nausea, skin rashes, depression, and more."

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I must admit, I new to a vegan diet and just trying it for a while...I am not extremely philosophical about it...though I am convinced that the world cannot sustain the SAD and factory farms are atrocious. But philosophically I am ok with eating "mostly vegetarian".

That said, I used to be a hardcore omni, in the tradition of Nourishing Traditions/Dr. Mercola/Jordan Rubin/Kevin Trudeau. I always heard how humans are not herbivores. Then I got terribly sick. It took me a couple years to even consider a vegan diet. I always heard warnings against a vegan diet, but never considered that my "healthy" omni diet was making me sick.

So I have had the exact opposite experience of the author. I tried ultra low carb (just meat and veggies, no grains, fruit or nuts even) and was terribly depressed and had low energy. The more and more complex carbs and whole grains I ate and lower fat (I was doing 70% animal fat) I ate the better I felt. That started 1 1/2 years ago...so I slowly crept more and more towards a plant based diet. Now that I've been vegan for a month, I've had more energy then I ever have. I was amazed how NOT deprived I feel, unlike all my other crazy animal based diets. My body was crying out for carbs, and they keep me satisfied.

So I still agree that no one diet works for everyone, but a heavily animal based diet is simply unscientific. As a PP said, she could have just tried eating eggs or fish 2x week and that small nutrient boost might just have done the trick. No need to consume animal products at every meal.

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That article seems fabricated to me...something about it feels very OFF.

At any rate, I will stand by a healthy vegan diet as the ultimate way to promote health til my death day...which will probably be from old age - As a happy, healthy vegan for 20 yrs now, I plan to avoid the diseases our meat-eating society is suffering & dying from.

And whats the deal about vegan authors eating animal foods? I'm a vegan author & wouldn't go near animal foods...yuck!

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A lot of crap if you ask me...what proof that a starch based, plant based diet is good for you...visit Dr John McDougall's website....He has the facts to back up what he says...I would never give up this lifestyle..

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That article seems fabricated to me...something about it feels very OFF.

Agreed.  Supposed vegan bloggers and authors confiding that they really aren't vegan?  bullsh*t!

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