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Question about Obama?

Was he born in the US?

I just read an email saying that he was born in Kenya.  If that is the case, then how did he become president?  According to the constitution don't you have to have been born in America to become president?  I am confused. 

I voted for Obama, I support him (for the most part), and I think hes doing a great job, especially compared to the psycho that was in office before him, HOWEVER I still want to know how he deserves the npc. Sure hes a great guy, and hes got great goals, most of which he hasn't completed yet, but I dunno. I would have waited awhile.

And I'll probably get some crap for saying this but I believe there are most important things for him to worry about right now then immigration. Thats just how I feel. However, thats an issue I won't delve into details about, I would probably seem racist (which I'm not).  I was born in the USA, my ancestors have lived in this country for a long time, I have no living relatives that have lived in another country. So I guess I can't totally relate to that, I'm white, I don't know what it feels like to have my citizenship judged by the color of my skin. I really don't know where I'm going by this, I guess I just can't see it from your pov. Even still I stand by what I say, which truthfully usually gets me in trouble. Hes got time left though, I say lets just see how it pans out. Worst comes to worst, just don't vote for him if he goes for reelection.

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So no I do not support Democrats or this administration.

I also wanted to point out you're being a little bias, and stereotypical saying you don't support the democrats. The current administration, maybe. But to say all democrats are wrong, is well, wrong. And may I point out there are racist republicans? I mean your statement seems a little flawed. That's just my two cents. Oh also, most people believed (by a poll) that G.W. Bush was racist. He wasn't a dem.

Plus, I'm a democrat, I believe very strongly on some issues, but that doesn't make me a better person or a less of a person. It still makes me an equal. And I believe, everyone is equal. If you aren't, then fight for it. I have spent more then half my life fighting to make it alive. Not only due to personal health reasons, financial reasons, but I too (BEING A WHITE WOMAN) have been discriminated against. Everyone has at one point or another, its called life. I get called a redneck when I don't wear expensive clothes, I get looked down on because I'm of a larger size. People think I'm stupid because I have a ged, which I'm not. I'm also happy to say I scored in the top 3% range of the entire usa on my scores. Granted; I still can't spell right or use correct grammer.  :-D

And not to point my next comment at you or anyone else directly, but sometimes I think people need to just "get over it". Or try fighting for their way in life for once. Not just throw a fit because someone said something that hurt your feelings. Pick yourself up and keep fighting. Stop expecting everyone else to do it for you.

so yeah, you can flame me all you want now, but thats just how I feel.

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I don't want to dive into this too much as I hate politics, but here's my thoughts regarding where he's from. I find it rediculous that people judge him and treat him like a terrorist just because of the Kenya deal. I'm german. Would that mean that I'll be like Hitler? It really makes no sense. Who cares.

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I don't want to dive into this too much as I hate politics, but here's my thoughts regarding where he's from. I find it rediculous that people judge him and treat him like a terrorist just because of the Kenya deal. I'm german. Would that mean that I'll be like Hitler? It really makes no sense. Who cares.

isn't everything politics though?
If you buy coke for instance:
workers rights/unions-bad thing
human rights-bad thing
pollution-okay
child labour-okay
paramilitaries-useful tool

You've supported a company with some fairly illiberal views.

Lets say instead you've bought a vegan fair trade organic suma product-you seem to be supporting a company with the opposite mind set.

So surely talking about it can be good?
There's also things like liberties being taken away, free market economy yay or nay etc.

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Of course I have my opinions, but I hate diving into them with others, as it never ends in agreement or even acceptance, and I hate conflict.

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Of course I have my opinions, but I hate diving into them with others, as it never ends in agreement or even acceptance, and I hate conflict.

I don't know, I've many a time spoken to people about politics and listened to what they have to say, put my own views forward, take something out of what they've said and I think and hope vice versa.

I think it needs to be in a friendly setting because things can get overly heated, but that depends largely on who you talk about it with.

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Of course I have my opinions, but I hate diving into them with others, as it never ends in agreement or even acceptance, and I hate conflict.

I don't know, I've many a time spoken to people about politics and listened to what they have to say, put my own views forward, take something out of what they've said and I think and hope vice versa.

I think it needs to be in a friendly setting because things can get overly heated, but that depends largely on who you talk about it with.

Exactly. Unless I know the person I'm discussing it with, I just keep to myself on those ideas.

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No I wasn't joking about my comment because all those situations have happened to me.  I am a 3rd generation american but, with how it is today I get called a 'wetback' who obviously knows how to swim because I crossed the Rio grande.  I thought racism didn't exist until I got my big wake up call.  So yes I got pulled over by a sheriff who then asked me if I was born here and if I speka english.  No I do not watch Fox News.  Yes I have come out of walmart where immigration is waiting and grabs women and men who were shopping and have seen the kids get left behind all by themselves and they have no clue what to do because there 5-9 years old.  This isn't a joke to me.  It breaks my heart.  It really hurts because people think this doesn't happen anymore but, is does.  I've also been in the car when someone else got pulled over and the sheriff asked if annyone was from Mexico. Then the officer proceded to say well thats good now I won't have to call ICE. 

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HEY AMERICANS. Please understand what socialism actually is before you start sobbing about how your country is "turning socialist". It's not like you're on the highway to communism. For crying out loud, here in Europe America is considered by many to be a bastion of antediluvian moral and political conservatism. The current guy in office? Yeah, not so much a socialist as someone who is making small steps to repair the international reputation which the last president shattered.

The phrase you may be looking for is "liberal democracy".

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The current guy in office? Yeah, not so much a socialist as someone who is making small steps to repair the international reputation which the last president shattered.

Well Said :)

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What do you all think about the idea of a national health service. A socialist ideal, but of course you don't call a government socialist based on one aspect of their policies.
Also isn't having universal education a socialist concept?

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and libraries & the police & firefighters... right?

There are some aspects of society where we see a need to have absolute (well, theoretically) equality, like education and police protection. I see "universal healthcare" as just extending that to healthcare. It makes more sense to me to ensure that every person is covered by decent insurance than... to have libraries.

ps: i like libraries.

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and libraries & the police & firefighters... right?

There are some aspects of society where we see a need to have absolute (well, theoretically) equality, like education and police protection. I see "universal healthcare" as just extending that to healthcare. It makes more sense to me to ensure that every person is covered by decent insurance than... to have libraries.

ps: i like libraries.

That's the thing though, there's so much anti socialist bs propaganda which just labels certain policies as socialist and thus intrinsically bad as well as on the slippery slope to communism. And it seems to be overlooking positive socialist concepts already being implemented by the country.

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No I wasn't joking about my comment because all those situations have happened to me.  I am a 3rd generation american but, with how it is today I get called a 'wetback' who obviously knows how to swim because I crossed the Rio grande.  I thought racism didn't exist until I got my big wake up call.  So yes I got pulled over by a sheriff who then asked me if I was born here and if I speka english.  No I do not watch Fox News.  Yes I have come out of walmart where immigration is waiting and grabs women and men who were shopping and have seen the kids get left behind all by themselves and they have no clue what to do because there 5-9 years old.  This isn't a joke to me.  It breaks my heart.  It really hurts because people think this doesn't happen anymore but, is does.  I've also been in the car when someone else got pulled over and the sheriff asked if annyone was from Mexico. Then the officer proceded to say well thats good now I won't have to call ICE. 

Sorry, maybe it was inappropriate for me to jump to such a conclusion. It just honesty sounded as if you copied that right off fox news and pasted it here. I understand that our country is flawed and that many groups of people are still oppressed, but you can hardly blame Obama or "socialism" for that. I guess I just got kinda angry when people started pulling the socialism card, because i think a lot of people don't really know what it is.

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I don't like Obama.  I'm sorry but, I just don't. I also can't support someone who supports abortion.  I feel as if this country has taken a socialist turn.  I also feel sorry for all the people in the immigration process who were hoping Mr. Obama would keep his word on doing something about immigration reform yet, he has said that nothing can be done during his time in office due to more pressing matters.  Yes, I can understand that the economy and health care come first but, immigrants put back a lot into the economy so why wouldn't immigration be important too?  Seriously though the government is considering not giving tax returns to immigrants now.  What ??? Excuse me but, I know of tons of people who get taxes taken out and never file because they are scared to get sent back to there country.  Where may I ask is all that unclaimed tax money?  And what is the purpose of issuing a TIN number if there not going to be able to claim taxes now anyways?  This whole situation sucks and I seriously wish that America wasn't how it is now.  Racism is rampant and Mexicans are getting the worst of it.  Obama supports that racist sheriff in Arizona.  Sorry to those who think I'm pulling the race card but, when you get asked if you are a citizen and the three americans in front of you didn't then you start to feel bad.  When you get stopped and the first thing the cop asks you is if you are born in the us in stupid american spanish then you start to feel offended.  When you get told to go back to mexico when you're not even born in mexico you start to get angry.  I'm sorry but, I can't understand when this whole close the border business happened but, it hurts to all of a sudden be not wanted in the country of your own birth because everyone wants people of your ethnicity out. And I hate the fact that the President of the United States of America can't see it for what it is.   So no I do not support Democrats or this administration.

Do you think the person who asked if you are a citizen was conservative or liberal?  Do you think the cop who pulled you over was conservative or liberal?  Do you think the person who told you to go back to Mexico was conservative or liberal?

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Many people mistakenly equate "socialised" (ie nationalised, free) health care with "Socialism" as the word was used in the USSR context. This happens more to people with little or no experience of any system but pay-as-you-go.
Many European countries have had national health systems in place since at least WW2, and some before that. You can still go to a paid doctor if you have the money and want to do that. But at least in Spain, if anything goes wrong at a private sector clinic, you will be sent to the national hospitals, which is where 99% of the up-to-the-minute technology is anyway. Doctors still make plenty of money, but everyone has health care available to them. And if you don't like your doctor you can change. If you want a second opinion, you have a right to it. And it's still free.  No one has to, as my elderly aunt in Southern Illinois puts it, "choose between heat, food and medication" because their pension won't cover it or because they have no health insurance.

In my own experience on three separate occasions, doctors have made housecalls to my apartment, once at 2 AM, because it was judged urgent enough or because I had a contagious illness they didn't want spread in the waiting room.
No one is denied urgent care, citizen or not. My mother once went into cardiac arrythmia when she was visiting me and we took her to the ER, where she was given an ECG, bloodwork and tests. She spent the entire day there, and when she tried (from sheer gratefulness) to tip the nurse, the nurse put her hands in her pockets and said gently, "Please don't even think of it."

Yes, some doctors/nurses/etc are overworked, but that can be said anywhere. Yes, some are obnoxious, but that happens in the US where you pay handsomely. Yes, some people abuse the system by going to the doctor every five minutes for every sniffle or ache...but some people will abuse any free service, anywhere in the world.

I have lived under both the US health care system and the European one. The European system may not be perfect, but it's very very good. Our taxes pay for it but that means it's there when you need it. Free of charge. And medication prescribed on the health service is also subsidised. Pensioners don't pay a penny for necessary medication.

I don't expect anyone to agree with my viewpoint. I can only speak from 27 years worth of experience of one system and 20 years experience of the other.

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Many people mistakenly equate "socialised" (ie nationalised, free) health care with "Socialism" as the word was used in the USSR context. This happens more to people with little or no experience of any system but pay-as-you-go.

But of course nationalised systems are socialist based concepts, no?

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"socialist" with a lowercase s, yes, as in society contributing to care for society. Not Socialist as in a particular country's interpretation of what The Socialist Party is. But I'm sure you got that point in my first post.

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I agree with you, yg.

I discussed health care with my mom over Thanksgiving.

My position is that I don't understand why small business owners (largely Republicans) are so set against universal health care.  If health care was covered for everyone, it would give people who want to start small businesses more freedom, as they would no longer have to choose between staying at a job that provides health care for their family or starting a small business.  If small business is the backbone of the Unites States' economy, it seems like a no-brainer to facilitate small business opportunities.

My mom kind of agreed. (She's a Bush-can-do-no-wrong, religious, conservative Republican, so mild agreement was a big win.)

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Among my internet contacts, the same people who moan most about not having health insurance from their employers, are the ones who are the most dead-set against universal healthcare. The oxymoron lives! They should have health care, but nobody else?

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