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maybe a can of worms but...

...i am curious...i am wondering (if anyone wants to share) why you all have chosen to eat vegan.....or vegan rather than vegetarian....

concern for animals, health benefits, combo of the above?  just curious?!

me personally, i'm trying to replace a lot of unhealthy food choices by stocking up on lots of wonderful, cancer-fighting yummy veggies. and also, i have recently become more concerned about the very sad practices of the meat industry.  i have known about it for years, but never really had the wherewithall to really make a choice about it until recently. i guess maybe i've just finally developed a little discipline.  food has always been my "drug" of choice.

15.  KACM.

It's right here.

mmmmhmm. It's ok. I don't want to barge in on an already good thing. KAC is cool.

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If it's KACM, then it's KACM. I mean...it can't be denied. KACM, KAC, MAC, or KM..
Obviously KM is the lamest of them all.  ;)

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If it's KACM, then it's KACM. I mean...it can't be denied. KACM, KAC, MAC, or KM..
Obviously KM is the lamest of them all.  ;)

Well we have to go all KM on the hood deal.

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Haha.  

'twas an accident!  M is very necessary.

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If it's KACM, then it's KACM. I mean...it can't be denied. KACM, KAC, MAC, or KM..
Obviously KM is the lamest of them all.  ;)

Well we have to go all KM on the hood deal.

Sounds like we're buying a used car.

We should convine AC to go KACM on the hood deal.

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Oh, man. Yeah, I think that's KM. We can do KACM tats. I couldn't even handle a cartilage piercing. My body was like "blech!"

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If it's KACM, then it's KACM. I mean...it can't be denied. KACM, KAC, MAC, or KM..
Obviously KM is the lamest of them all.  ;)

Well we have to go all KM on the hood deal.

Sounds like we're buying a used car.

We should convine AC to go KACM on the hood deal.

she's a tatty girl

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Howsabout 'MACK'? I like that. ;)

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Howsabout 'MACK'? I like that. ;)

ooooooh Heli.  Nice.  They may object to the M being first, but I like how it's sort of an actual word.

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I like KACM...myself.

eta: this may be a can of worms..

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I like KACM...myself.

eta: this may be a can of worms..

Yes, yes, to avoid postings of worms, lets stick with the original

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Damn, I tried.

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I don't think it's wrong to eat meat, it's the natural food chain. I've come around to the fact that since we (humans) are so much smarter than most livestock/food stuff animals, agriculture is culturally natural.

How did you reach that conclusion?  "Culturally natural" with respect to what culture?  I kind of don't get it.  That sounds like many of the arguments used to justify slavery in the south.  Just the first thing that came to mind...

shit I just had this all typed out and my battery died. dammit.

I just want to mention that if you didn't understand, you could have just asked me. Don't start a personal attack and compare me to a slave trader. I think dialogue is the key here, not squabble. 

By "culturally natural" I'm referring to the fact that people are so much smarter than livestock animals. Livestock domestication allows for other elements of our culture to occur, like a sedentary lifestyle. I realize that not all cultures are agricultural, but ours is and that's what I'm referring to. Agriculture is also a more dependable way to obtain food. By domesticating foodsources (like plants or animals) you're not as vulnerable to seasonal fluctuations in food availability. Animal fertility is greater and morality lower when the herd is devoid of predators. So therefore, I think it makes sense that people would domesticate and controll things that they need to survive, i.e. foodstuffs like agricultural crops. We're not a hunter gatherer society in North America (not since the genocide of our aboriginals anyways) and if you live in an area like the northern states or Canada, or Europe, or anywhere without consistently abundant foodsources, you need to domesticate life to live a sedentary lifestyle. If you're eating meat, you'd need to domesticate that too. I think it's natural to eat meat because hey, at the end of the day, we're just really freaking smart animals, and animals eat animals. It's the food chain. Being smarter we've found a way to get at our food whenever we need it, and if you've got a little family farm where your cows can move around and your chickens can actually see the light of day, then good for you. It's the factory farming and industrial farming that sucks balls, and my veganism is a reaction to that industry.Nothing should suffer for your mercedes, not a cow, not a twelve year old in a Chinese sweatshop (and no, I don't think that a cow that lives on a family farm is suffering).

That's a far cry from the slave trade. Africans, Europeans and all the lovely people in between share the same brain size to body ratio ( or encephalization). Animals don't share this with people. We have a higher capacity for intelligence by far. A Sudanese kid has the same potential to do a math problem just as well as a Japanese kid, but a cow can't even read. Exploiting people isn't the same as exploiting animals. A lion exploits it's environment for food, we exploit our environment for food. Exploiting people is a completely different topic altogether, because we're the same species. 

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My thoughts here ---> Can of Worms crossover

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I suggest that someone with super-moderator-powers move this to the debate forum... pretty please?

With vegan sugar and a cherry on top?

:)>>>

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my apoligies, I didn't mean to make a can of worms out of this, and I just wanted to explain myself.
I honestly didn't think it'd spark so much emotion, I thought it'd just end up as a list with " I like animals, I'm an enviromentalist, milk tastes like ass" yadaa yadda.

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Well, a lot of people feel very passionately about not only BEING vegan, but the reasons behind it. It was bound to reach a point of tension eventually, I'm a little surprised it didn't happen on the first page.

;)b

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By "culturally natural" I'm referring to the fact that people are so much smarter than livestock animals.

Maybe we should eat retarded people and children then, yes? The "intelligence" argument never ceases to amaze me.

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