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Eating honey is not vegan.

Discuss.

I know this has been talked about many a time on VW, but I would like to be involved in the discussion. If you aren't interested in debating if/why/etc. eating honey is not/is vegan, then don't post!

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Honey contains more than 180 different substances the complex interrelation of which makes artificial production of honey impossible. The composition and nutritional value of honey differ in relation to the floral sources honeybees have visited. For example, recent research supports the claim that dark coloured honeys have larger amounts of antioxidants. The inorganic contents of honey, minerals and other trace elements, play a significant role in human metabolism and nutrition. Owing to its choline content, honey is appreciated as an excellent tonic and helps people suffering from constipation and other enteric problems.

..The main vitamins found in honey are: A1, B1, B6, B12, C, D, E, folic acid, etc.

I have decided that instead of arguing my points, I will instead simply do my research and care for some bees myself. This way I know they will not be subjected to any abuse and any honey that is produced will benefit the hive. I will care for them as I would for any other animal companion.

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why bother? just get yourself some agave nectar... "vegan honey"... why give up being vegan to eat honey?

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That is definitely worthy of consideration..

I just love the bees. Colony Collapse Disorder makes me sad..

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i am sure all the non vegans will make up for your non honey consumption... just a thought... i never really used honey that much so for me it's pretty easy to give up

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I suppose you are right.. Never crossed my mind really. Good call  ;)b

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why bother? just get yourself some agave nectar... "vegan honey"... why give up being vegan to eat honey?

So true. With agave nectar available I cannot see why anyone would need honey. The problem with honey is they put it in so many processed foods, often just trace amount so the manufactures can market the product as having honey. Look at how many whole grain breads have honey. It's in a lot of barbecue sauces, cereals.

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i know! honey is in just about all the breads i have checked out... it's vegan except for honey why can't they just leave it out?

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we had a bunch of mates around on Friday night for dinner and some drinks, and one of the guys was telling me about this beer he thought I'd like, but it's flavoured with rata honey.
I just said to him that I don't eat honey, and he looked confused for about 30 seconds, then said, 'ooooh, is it because it's made by beeeees?' and moved on.

As evidenced by this 28 page thread, honey seems to be one of those things that even veg*ns get confused about, so I thought that was a pretty quick pick up of what the point in not eating honey is, especially for a half-drunk omnivore.

Sorry, that really doesn't contribute much but it was on my mind, so there you go! ; )

oh, and I have a bottle of agave that my friend bought for me in the States, and I showed it to him as my 'hippy honey' and he thought it smelled amazing.  One of the other guys, however, assured me it smelled like sunscreen lotion, so... yeah...

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oh, and I have a bottle of agave that my friend bought for me in the States, and I showed it to him as my 'hippy honey' and he thought it smelled amazing.  One of the other guys, however, assured me it smelled like sunscreen lotion, so... yeah...

Is agave nectar hard to get in NZ? It is available in all the major markets here in California but it is just within the last year that it has really gained popularity. It has a high glycemic index so it is absorbed slowly into the body. You don't get spikes in your blood sugar or the sugar highs and lows. It is also 25% sweeter than sugar. I never noticed any unpleasant smell. It smells sort of like honey to me.  ;)b

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Quoted from: wikianswers

Honey contains more than 180 different substances the complex interrelation of which makes artificial production of honey impossible. The composition and nutritional value of honey differ in relation to the floral sources honeybees have visited. For example, recent research supports the claim that dark coloured honeys have larger amounts of antioxidants. The inorganic contents of honey, minerals and other trace elements, play a significant role in human metabolism and nutrition. Owing to its choline content, honey is appreciated as an excellent tonic and helps people suffering from constipation and other enteric problems.

..The main vitamins found in honey are: A1, B1, B6, B12, C, D, E, folic acid, etc.

I have decided that instead of arguing my points, I will instead simply do my research and care for some bees myself. This way I know they will not be subjected to any abuse and any honey that is produced will benefit the hive. I will care for them as I would for any other animal companion.

do you know what the source was for that (that whoever wrote than on wikianswers used)? I looked up honey on nutritiondata and it showed 0.0 mcg of B12. In fact, the only things on that list that show any values in nutritiondata is vitamin C (3% for one cup of honey) and B6 (4%). I guess it depends on what flowers they get their nectar from, but i'm very doubtful of B12 because of its source (bacteria).

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Quoted from: wikianswers
..The main vitamins found in honey are: A1, B1, B6, B12, C, D, E, folic acid, etc.

It's important to review this statement in it's entirety.  . .

VITAMINS:

Honey is rather low in vitamin content. However, we cannot ignore them since they help the human body absorb the sugars in honey. The main vitamins found in honey are: A1, B1, B6, B12, C, D, E, folic acid, etc.

While honey may contain those vitamins they are in negligible amounts.

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Is agave nectar hard to get in NZ? It is available in all the major markets here in California but it is just within the last year that it has really gained popularity. It has a high glycemic index so it is absorbed slowly into the body. You don't get spikes in your blood sugar or the sugar highs and lows. It is also 25% sweeter than sugar. I never noticed any unpleasant smell. It smells sort of like honey to me.  ;)b

Pretty hard to get and madly expensive.  Or maybe I just don't know where to shop.  But it's definitely not available at supermarkets, and I've never seen it in a health food shop either.  I've seen it advertised online for like, $13 for a 300ml bottle.
Haha, I know it smells good, I just thought it was funny that someone thought it smelled like sunscreen!

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I've seen it advertised online for like, $13 for a 300ml bottle.
Haha, I know it smells good, I just thought it was funny that someone thought it smelled like sunscreen!

I pay about 5 1/2 dollars for a 23.5 oz bottle and there are several organic varieties available. You can get agave nectar or 100% blue agave nectar. I don't know what the difference would be but for a tequila to be called "premium" it has to be made from 100% blue agave.

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yeah, I guess it's just that mexico is a lot further away from here than it is from the states, so... no cheap imports for us.

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How about this stuff?

Xagave
http://www.xagave.com/

A Premium Blend of Agave Nectar derived from organic Agave Salmiana (White Agave) and organic inulin from Agave Tequilana (Blue Agave).

I searched the forums for any comments or reviews.. Found nothing.

http://www.xagave.com/images/Nutritional-Info.jpghttp://www.xagave.com/images/usda-organic_logo.gif

Seems reasonably priced..

http://www.xagave.com/images/small/25ozMd.jpg $8.99 - Single 25oz Bottle
http://www.xagave.com/images/small/50ozMd.jpg $15.99 - Single 50oz Bottle
http://www.xagave.com/images/small/GallonMd.jpg $42.99 - 1 U.S. Gallon

4-packs available on all of the above, and 12-packs available on the 25oz and 50oz bottles.

Has anyone tried this stuff in particular? Seems to be a pretty safe bet.

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i haven't tried that brand... i always get Madhava Agave Nectar the light colored variety 23.5 oz... i think it is like $5 where i live

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Most honey bought in stores is processed.  I not sure if it would have much nutrients left.  My main sweetner/oatmeal topper is blackstrap molasses.  It is very strong stuff but is very nutritious.  There is about 20% DV for iron and calcium in each TB and quite a bit of potassium.

For a honey substitute in recipes, I prefer brown rice syrup.  Its the same cost as agave nector and made not too far away from me.  BRS has a more caramelly, richer flavor that agave nector lacks.  It also breaks down much slower in your system than honey.  Ther is also malt barley syrup and carob molasses for those that like amber honey.

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I understand all sides of this debate.

Honey is not something that was a part of my life anyway. But I will sadly say I am a vegan that just lets honey slide sometime. The last time I ate honey was in a pre-mixed granola from Whole Foods. It was the low fat one from the bulk aisle. But normally, no I don't eat honey and avoid buying products with honey. After reading this forum I am leaning more towards never even considering it.

I hope you don't all hate me now! :(

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As you say "Honey" is not a vegan food. But I have seen various product in market that contain honey still sold by retailer saying its a vegan food. There are various stuff like chocolates,Fortune Cookies and many many more other products. If they are not a vegan food then why they are not getting?

Is there any way to have honey free  stuff which is not highlighted in ingredients?

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Do you have examples of packaged "vegan" food that contains honey?  Honestly, I've never seen chocolate that contains honey or "vegan" labeled food with honey in the ingredients and I've been reading packages for years.  (I couldn't find a "vegan" fortune cookie on the link - at which point I suspected you were a spammer, until I read your previous posts.)

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