Gray ethical areas, regarding bees...?
OK, so, I'm an active enemy of certainty; I think questioning is good. I'm not trying to argue one side or the other, just curious what you guys think.
This is an article about the problems caused to beehives by mass use for pollination, of (even organic) vegan food like avocados & almonds... most cultivated crops... If this does MORE harm to the bees than honeymaking, is it still the more vegan option? Isn't it exploitation either way? If the one does more harm than the other, would that change how you eat? If not, doesn't that create a certain dissonance?
Is the use of bees for pollination a necessary component, for having enough veggie foods to make veg*nism a functional option? It looks to me like the answer might be 'yes'... It seems like, on the one hand, we want plentiful plant foods, to avoid the need for eating anything else; on the other hand, those plentiful plant crops seem to require the harmful use of bee colonies, for pollination...
I'm not an agricultural expert; what am I missing? Is there a way to have both -- plentiful plant foods w/o use of bees, by humans? Curious what you guys think about it...
I'm a huge fan of sustainable agriculture, and would like to find a way *not* to do harm, while producing food... what's the best way to address this problem, do you think, regarding bees?
Honey <-- We discussed that angle in this thread, I think. If not, it was the previous honey round.
I'm absolutely perplexed as to why people need to continue debating honey. It's like Fox manufactured drama. Glenn Beck is going to sign up to discuss this next.
It comes down to doing the least amount of harm. Can we avoid honey? Yes. Do I know of a way to avoid commercial-bee-colony-pollinated crops? No. Therefore, I won't eat honey, but I will eat grains.
why can't bees just decide for themselves where to pollinate, instead of being carted around and used as pollinating machines? i like in what a farmer said in Food Inc, "We want everything bigger, faster, fatter, cheaper"... we need to calm the fuck down and let bees just be bees instead of trying to mess so much with mother nature... it's getting ridiculous... and for consuming honey... what's the point? use agave nectar... so easy
FYI i don't know much about bees... but we never had a problem with plants being pollinated in earlier times when bees just did their usual business... why can't they just pollinate on their own? is that not possible anymore or something?
how scary! a bee hive in my backyard? ya no thanks...
my bf's gpa is a farmer so i asked my bf about it... he said his gpa didn't need to import or buy bees, he just had these boxes by his crops that i guess he would spray with faramones that would attract bees and their queen... the bees would produce honey and his gpa would collect that to sell as well... i'm guessing the huge mass producing farms are the ones having the problems... maybe the ones producing the commodity crops?
i thought this blogpost was really interesting..
It was interesting. Not well written. Rather poorly written. But interesting.
I wish I could set up a backyard beehive with native/endangered bee species. I don't know whether I'd take any honey (actually, bears/raccoons would probably beat me to it, XD) but just to know I'm giving them a home. Ah well, I suppose I can just plant lots of bee-friendly flora.
As regular people, we can plant bee-friendly flowers and crops. It's a tiny drop in the bucket, but anything to help, right?
I'm no expert either... my understanding is that it's a problem of scale. There are tons MORE people than ever before, and as long as we have a food production model emphasizing mass production/ vast tracts of monoculture crops, the system requires heavy intervention by transported (vs naturally left-alone) bees, in order to work... one reason I think we need to revamp the whole system! What worked with smaller/ diversified farms, long ago, doesn't work to the scale (& with the methods by which) we're farming produce now...
Just want to mention here, this wouldn't be a problem if everyone was vegan. Correct me if I am wrong, but the vast amount of crops grown (that bees are used to pollinate) is for the production of meat, am I wrong? So because people eat meat, then the way it is now is the way it HAS to be, otherwise there isn't enough food to feed everyone, but if everyone was vegan, then only 1/6 of the current amount of crops grown would have to be grown and things would be so much better for everyone including mother nature.
I may not be 100% correct, my memory is fuzzy, but that is how I understand it.