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So its not the Ball thread....but i have a serious question. I am so torn about whether or not to circumcise this little guy. I was convinced for a while that I was not going to, but today after talking to a different pediatrician, I felt like it would be ok if I did.

I know there is no medical reason to do it....I've researched it a bunch but I'm just not sure what's best for the boy~now and for his whole life. I don't want him to feel funny if he still has his foreskin, but on the other hand, it seems like such a pointless surgery (purely cosmetic) and that it would hurt!

It seems that there is a recent trend of NOT doing it, and in most parts of the world it is not customary....

I'd love to hear from both boys and girls on this topic, and share any experiences you have had with circed and non-circed penises. Do you prefer one type over the other?

I have (heard) sex is better with penises that are still intact (non-circed) for both the boy and the girl.....and in many ways I feel like its there for a reason (even heard that the foreskin secretes a lubricant)

What would you do???!!! 
If you had a penis, would you want it circed or not???

(another reason I was hoping for a girl.....)

The USA is the only country where not being circumcised is regarded as the cause of UTI's, and circumcision is seen as the default cure.

1) circumcised boys get UTI's too.
2) girls get UTI's almost four times as often as boys, yet no-one considers cutting their foreskin off.

"How would you know" circumcision reduces sensitivity?  Because you're cutting the most sensitive part off, that's why.

I suspect that you had a pediatric urologist from the "cut them all" camp.  It's unlikely that any urologist outside the USA would even have considered circumcision.  Elsewhere, circumcision is an absolute last resort.  Only about 1 in 150 UK males are ever circumcised for a medical reason (and it's getting rarer).  Are we supposed to cut the other 149 just in case?

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Hey, mi66uk, are you male or female? just curious....
thanks for your input.
unless his foreskin is sealed shut or some crazy thing like that, we are going to leave it alone

thanks everyone!!! ;)b

The USA is the only country where not being circumcised is regarded as the cause of UTI's, and circumcision is seen as the default cure.

1) circumcised boys get UTI's too.
2) girls get UTI's almost four times as often as boys, yet no-one considers cutting their foreskin off.

"How would you know" circumcision reduces sensitivity?  Because you're cutting the most sensitive part off, that's why.

I suspect that you had a pediatric urologist from the "cut them all" camp.  It's unlikely that any urologist outside the USA would even have considered circumcision.  Elsewhere, circumcision is an absolute last resort.  Only about 1 in 150 UK males are ever circumcised for a medical reason (and it's getting rarer).  Are we supposed to cut the other 149 just in case?

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Hey, mi66uk, are you male or female? just curious....
thanks for your input.
unless his foreskin is sealed shut or some crazy thing like that, we are going to leave it alone

thanks everyone!!! ;)b

I'm male and not circumcised.  I never used to be that bothered about circumcision either way, but I lived in Australia for a few years around the time that the medical organisations there were trying to stop it.  The more I found out about it, the more it bothered me.  It says a lot that almost every Australian male over 40 is circumcised, but "routine" circumcision is now *banned* in public hospitals there in every state but one.  The people behind the change must mostly be circumcised themselves, or married to circumcised men.  I have four Australian male cousins who are all circumcised.  Between them and their sister, they have five boys, all of whom are intact.

Australia used to be a difficult place to be veggie btw.  It's a lot easier now, but it seemed quite rare about 20 years ago.  People just didn't seem to understand it.  I heard a story about a couple who went to a barbecue in Queensland, and the people there said "we heard you were vegetarian, so we got some liver and bacon specially".  ???

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People just didn't seem to understand it.  I heard a story about a couple who went to a barbecue in Queensland, and the people there said "we heard you were vegetarian, so we got some liver and bacon specially".  ???

ha, that's a NEW one! liver and bacon = veg? what?  ::)

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i know that there can be some boys who have forskins that are too "closed" at the end, which can lead to problems with UTIs and whatnot. but i don't think this is the general case. (i was reading that in as nature made him, which is about a boy who's penis is burned off in a blotched circ. the parents were doing it b/c the forskin was causing medical issues for the boys b/c they were too small in the opening or something)

That's a good book! I read it a few years ago. Otherwise, while I thought my sex education was well-developed, apparently I was wrong. As I was reading, I was trying to remember...had I actually experienced both? I'll be able to identify the next one I see though!  ;D

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Honestly if I had a penis I would like it to be my decision and not my mother's or father's decision. I think it is a barbaric and archaic ritual that has no place in evolved and educated human activities. My son is intact. He is 3 years old. My husband and I did the research and decided against it. Everyone in my family who is male is circumcised and I saw them go through excruciating pain healing from it. Everyone in my husband's family is as well. So, we took the leap to be different. My sister did research and kept her son's intact as well. It is a myth that uncircumcised males contact more STDs. For support and REAL, HONEST, FACTUAL answers to any of your questions there is a discussion board that is beyond compare here: http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?s=6d422c6269a0dbd07ec912e6b687fdbb&f=44

I honestly feel as passionate about keeping boys intact as I do about veganism. Very, very rarely would there ever be a true medical to have this done to a baby.

On the sex issue alone. Please let your son keep his equivalent to your clitoris hood. Because that is what the foreskin is, plus so much more than that.

Glad to hear you are keeping your son intact by the way!

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i know that there can be some boys who have forskins that are too "closed" at the end, which can lead to problems with UTIs and whatnot. but i don't think this is the general case. (i was reading that in as nature made him, which is about a boy who's penis is burned off in a blotched circ. the parents were doing it b/c the forskin was causing medical issues for the boys b/c they were too small in the opening or something)

I've kept up with this thread...but hadn't had any input....until..I asked my husband what he thought about being circumcised. He said he didn't care either way (for him). He wasn't traumatized by being circumcised...and doesn't have an issue with it. BUT, we agree that we would not have our hypothetical son circumcised. He also talked about John C. (As Nature Made Him), and I've read a lot about him, also. We don't think there is ANY point to being circumcised..and it's definitely not natural.

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i know that there can be some boys who have forskins that are too "closed" at the end, which can lead to problems with UTIs and whatnot. but i don't think this is the general case. (i was reading that in as nature made him, which is about a boy who's penis is burned off in a blotched circ. the parents were doing it b/c the forskin was causing medical issues for the boys b/c they were too small in the opening or something)

I've kept up with this thread...but hadn't had any input....until..I asked my husband what he thought about being circumcised. He said he didn't care either way (for him). He wasn't traumatized by being circumcised...and doesn't have an issue with it. BUT, we agree that we would not have our hypothetical son circumcised. He also talked about John C. (As Nature Made Him), and I've read a lot about him, also. We don't think there is ANY point to being circumcised..and it's definitely not natural.

That good to hear!  ;)b This is exactly the correct attitude. Men shouldn't feel bad or traumatized that they were circumcised but at the same time should realize it isn't necessary and leaving a son intact is not asking for problems or an indictment of the decision their parents made. For years there have been a lot of folk myths regarding circumcision (mainly in North America) all most all of which are not true. For example

...It is more hygienic since bathroom stalls don't provide any means of cleaning it (i've heard that being uncircumcised means you nead to clean under the forskin after peeing). Also, I think it is more "well accepted" visually by romantic partners later in life. If I'm mistaken or if "other factors" outweigh aesthetics I am interested to know. I'm biased though; heck I don't even like turtleneck shirts/sweaters (I think they were invented to hide hickies btw) 

This is false. I can assure you I have no problem using a urinal. You certainly don't have to clean under the foreskin after peeing. There have been times when I've gone days or weeks without good access to facilities (think back country backpacking) and I've never once had any problem. Or perhaps I can put it this way. Daily bathing, in the US, has only come about in say the last 100 years (perhaps fewer than that even). Circumcision only became common in North America in the last 50 - 60 years before that it was very uncommon and has never been common in most places outside North America. Yet in the time before plumbing we managed to get by. If the foreskin was such a liability (particularly with regard to something as common as urination) it wouldn't have evolved as it did.

i know that there can be some boys who have forskins that are too "closed" at the end, which can lead to problems with UTIs and whatnot. but i don't think this is the general case. (i was reading that in as nature made him, which is about a boy who's penis is burned off in a blotched circ. the parents were doing it b/c the forskin was causing medical issues for the boys b/c they were too small in the opening or something)

This is partially true. A relatively small percentage of boys can develop what is called Phimosis which is a narrowing of the opening of the foreskin making it difficult or impossible to retract the foreskin. All babies are born this way (congenital Phimosis) as they grow, the foreskin separates from the head of the penis and the opening widens to eventually allow retraction. About 50% of boys are at that point by 11. Nearly all by 15 or 16. For those that are unable to do this, there are numerous less invasive options to correct this problem such as  betamethasone 0.05% cream though the vast majority wouldn't need this. Also in boys UTIs are usually the result of certain congenital abnormalities of the urinary tract.

Although the myths are pernicious, things are improving thanks in no small part to the information sharing going on in a place like this people can learn more and thus make more informed decisions.  Good luck to the OP IIRC you're just days away be sure to check out some of the links I provided earlier. :)

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DS 17 was not circumcised and has never had a UTI. 

His cousin, born 3 weeks earlier, was circumcised and had to go back for surgery to touch up "problems" from the circumcision.

I hate the idea of elective surgery on a newborn, personally, and the reasons for putting him through this did not seem compelling to me.

That said, the director of a nursing home told me in recent years that uncircumcised male patients have major cleanliness issues, infections, etc.  because of the foreskin. (Though you have to wonder why they aren't being kept clean by staff...)

DS developed a very slight adheason, which I feared would have to be addressed surgically, but it doesn't bother him, and the dr. says to leave it be if it doesn't cause pain.

We've puzzled over what to tell him about how to use a condom, though.  (DH is circumcised).  Does the condom go over the whole foreskin?

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That said, the director of a nursing home told me in recent years that uncircumcised male patients have major cleanliness issues, infections, etc.  because of the foreskin. (Though you have to wonder why they aren't being kept clean by staff...)

We've puzzled over what to tell him about how to use a condom, though.  (DH is circumcised).  Does the condom go over the whole foreskin?

Female genitalia are harder to clean than male genitalia, but we don't cut parts off baby girls so that it's easier for them to be cared for in a nursing home.

Anyway, I'd rather clean the genitals of ten old men every day of my life, than be circumcised myself.

Condoms aren't a problem.  The foreskin usually retracts when there's an erection anyway, so that it's often almost impossible to tell the difference between circumcised and intact.

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Picking up this thread from LONG ago...

I did NOT get my son circumcised and I am very glad that I made that decision.  I think that it is actually easier to keep clean because I have seen babies who have been and they seem to have more folds on the penis for poop to get under.  My son's is this solid little chunk no folds.  (I had no idea while I was pregnant that babies get errections either!!!!  The first time this happened I felt really embarrased because I was cleaning him up at the time!!!  Now I am used to it.  I think he is going to have a happy wife one day!)

He has never had a UTI either. Can you believe that he is turning 1 this weekend!!!!????  :o :o

Where has the time gone? 

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I'm not sure if this was ever mentioned, but I heard something about the glans of the penis being desensitized by circumsion in a human sexuality class I took. I'm not sure of the exact mechanism, but I'm guessing that the constant exposure of the glands leads to some keratinization (like regular epithelia), which can make it more difficult for sensory receptor to pick up specific sensations. So, apparently, uncircumcised men have more fun...? Or something.

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The problem isn't so much the glans being desensitized, but rather that the inner foreskin itself is the most sensitive part of the penis (it's not just there to cover the glans).  Even on a circumcised man, the most sensitive part isn't the glans - it's normally the scar line, or the frenulum if that wasn't removed.

If you don't believe me, try stimulating just the glans (and nothing below the rim).  If you're experimenting with your own equipment, it'll take about 3 seconds to realise that it ain't working, and if you're experimenting with someone else's, it depends on how well you know him before he asks you what the heck you think you're doing.

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I also read that sex is better for the woman with an uncircumcised man.  I have never been with one  :'(... any volunteers? ? ? ?

Anyway, as I read, cicumcision removes a large portion of the SIZE of the  penis.  Something I know men are obsessed with.  So anybody out there who wants to convince thier husbands that cicumcision isn't a good idea for your unborn son, mention that natural men are LARGER than cut men.  That and sliding action is better, and women tend to not get sore as well as not as much lubrication is needed.  

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i'd say do it (circumcision)... i have never been with a guy who wasn't and couldn't imagine what it would look like... i wouldn't want ur soon to feel different or self conscious about it when he get's older because it's kinda the standard thing to do... just my opinion and ultimately it is urs to make

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So because you have never been with an intact man, you're suggesting to someone else that she has it done to her son?!?

Cutting girls is kinda the standard thing to do in some countries.  In some countries, doctors do it in surgeries with pain relief, and do less damage than a standard male circumcision, but that still doesn't make it right.

Even in the US, only 57% of baby boys are circumcised nowadays, and in the UK, Australia, and Canada, it's almost completely died out, except for Muslim and Jewish parents.

It's his body, let him decide.

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hey ml66uk!

I've really enjoyed you sharing the various links in the past for further information. Would LOVE to see you/read your thoughts/comments in other areas of the forum as well! Seems like we all could learn more from you/each other.

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i'm just saying... i thought i heard it was healthier for a boy too... something about infections... i plan to have my boy circumcised... but of course it's the parents choice... maybe it's more common where i live that's why i haven't seen the other 43% of non circumcised guys? I dunno

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oh ya and i don't understand girls can get circumcised? how is that?

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Amy,

I think it is easier for you to just read the rest of the thread to understand.... also google female circumcision....

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