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Do your vet know?

I like my vet, but he's not holistic and I'm not sure I want to explain defend my dog's veganism.  On the other hand, doesn't seem right to withhold that information.  Some vets are like human MD's and just not with the program as far as nutrition goes.

Mine aren't vegan, but if they were I don't think I would bring it up unless the vet specifically asked what they ate. This topic has had me curious since the DaveDrum days, if you don't mine me asking, what specifically do you feed your dog? How big is your dog?

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I never told my vet until recently.  Her response - so she's not getting any protein? ;D  BTW she's a 17 YO medium sized dog.  We don't have any holistic vets in the area & I really hate taking my animals friends to this vet.  Their solution to EVERTHING is Science Diet & pharmaceuticals.  As an added bonus, Ive never left that office without spending at least $500.  Oh, and what's up with all the freaken vaccines???  >:(

Ok rant over.

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Ummm, I am going to get bashed for this: I feed my cats a vegan (mostly) diet.  I buy Evolution vegan cat kibble off the internet.  That is their main food source, I keep a bowl of the vegan dry kibble out for them to eat at all times.  But every evening I give them one little can, which is like 5 oz, of Friskees cat food, one can for two cats.  I split it in half, put each half into a bowl so that I have two bowls with about a table spoon of cat food in each, then add tofu, water and some kind of cut up veggies, either carrot or lettuce, last night I put some spinach in it, and they eat it.  They love it.  So far they have been doing very well on this diet, they seem extremely healthy, and it makes their fur so so soft.  But I will not tell my vet unless they ask.  If anything I bet they would probably want to find out what they eat because they are so healthy and their fur is so soft!

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There's more than one thread in the archives about vegan diets and pets. I'd pull them up an d post links  except I'm too tired and cross... :-X Not about this thread, about lack of sleep.  :-*

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Yabbitgirl, I know about vegan diets for companion animals and I'm not interested in a debate, just an answer to those whom already have vegan pets and how they deal with their vets. 

  (BTW, asking where to vegan cats get their taurine is like asking a vegan human where they get their B12.  Synthetic supplements of course.)

lisaanddini, my dogs are Italian greyhounds and are 11 and 12 lbs. so they don't much and are cheap to feed.  :)  I've always feed them a variety of foods, currently it's PetGuard, Evolution and Ami and they gobble it up.  They are used to me switching their food every couple of months, so when they went vegan I didn't bother with a slow transition and they are doing fine.  I've only switched them this year.  I thought about the cruelty on my plate and products in my house and am making the transition to veganism myself and thought about that they have the same cruelty in their plates and I made the switch for them recently. 

A quick easy read on the subject is "Obligate Carnivore"  http://www.amazon.com/Obligate-Carnivore-Really-Means-Vegan/dp/0974218006

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Tweety, I saw greyhounds 'in person' (the full sized ones and the minis) for the first time when we went to OSU with Houdini. They are BEAUTIFUL!  I would love to rescue one...or five!

As far as the food goes, I would only bring it up if you are concerned with one of your dogs having a food allergy.  My cats eat some whacky stuff, but as long as it's non-toxic (no onions, chocolate, etc.) I let them try what they want to try.  They mostly prefer salad greens but one has an obsession with avocado.  :o

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Tweety, I saw greyhounds 'in person' (the full sized ones and the minis) for the first time when we went to OSU with Houdini. They are BEAUTIFUL!  I would love to rescue one...or five!

As far as the food goes, I would only bring it up if you are concerned with one of your dogs having a food allergy.  My cats eat some whacky stuff, but as long as it's non-toxic (no onions, chocolate, etc.) I let them try what they want to try.  They mostly prefer salad greens but one has an obsession with avocado.  :o

Mine are rescues as well.  The older one just turned 13 and the youngest is now 5.  I've love to get a puppy, but don't dare.  These two keep me hopping.  I have a pic on my Myspace page in my profile, if you're totally bored.

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I think it really just depends on your vet, although I would agree that many are probably trained to think that a vegetarian diet for a dog will be deficient somehow.  Although my vet is not holistic, she is really great.  I was just in for a check up earlier this week with one of my dogs and she kept commenting on how shiny and healthy her coat was and asked what I was feeding her.  I told her that it was a vegetarian food.  She really didn't say anything one way or the other, just kind of nodded.  I would hope any decent vet would be open enough to such alternatives, but I"m sure that's not always the reality.

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Tweety,

That's awesome that you rescue greyhounds. A guy near me does the same thing & I see him out walking them all the time. They really need a lot of exercise I would imagine.

Thanks for answering my questions. It really is something to consider. The idea of converting my dogs has me really nervous though. I have been just getting them the cheapo dog food & they have seemed fine on it, so I'm afraid of changing their diet, not know what I'm doing & having them get sick. I had some issues when I first converted to veganism & it was trial & error to get my energy back. The dogs would not be able to communicate with me how they were feeling. Plus,  I'm guessing it would be expensive (Dini weighs 130+ lbs & Molly is the size of a skinny lab & still growing). Spending a lot of money on feeding them is hard to justify to myself since they eat cat or goose poop whenever given the opportunity.

And the cat has that problem with the ph level of his urine, so I really don't want to mess with his diet.

Anyhow, I'll definitely look into the subject more & think about it. It's nice to know that you have successfully fed your vegan. Has anyone else here?

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I have a pic on my Myspace page in my profile, if you're totally bored.

They are great!

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Tweety,

That's awesome that you rescue greyhounds. A guy near me does the same thing & I see him out walking them all the time. They really need a lot of exercise I would imagine.

Thanks for answering my questions. It really is something to consider. The idea of converting my dogs has me really nervous though. I have been just getting them the cheapo dog food & they have seemed fine on it, so I'm afraid of changing their diet, not know what I'm doing & having them get sick. I had some issues when I first converted to veganism & it was trial & error to get my energy back. The dogs would not be able to communicate with me how they were feeling. Plus,  I'm guessing it would be expensive (Dini weighs 130+ lbs & Molly is the size of a skinny lab & still growing). Spending a lot of money on feeding them is hard to justify to myself since they eat cat or goose poop whenever given the opportunity.

And the cat has that problem with the ph level of his urine, so I really don't want to mess with his diet.

Anyhow, I'll definitely look into the subject more & think about it. It's nice to know that you have successfully fed your vegan. Has anyone else here?

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I'm lucky my dogs are tiny, so that even when they ate meat I steered clear of cheap food and went with quality.  Cheap dog food can be made from floor scraps unfit for human consumption and even other euthanized dogs full of disease and tumors, preservatives and they don't always even take the flea collars off.  Dogs don't seem to care, after all they eat cat poop.  LOL

Dogs, I hear are easier to convert than cats whom are finicky.  As I said my dogs were used to me changing their diet and they gobbled it up when I switched and I haven't noticed any decrease in energy or any kinds of problems.  On the other hand, my girl dog that was prone to diarhea and colitis with vomiting hasn't had an episode since. 

All these reasons I choose to live as veganlike as possible:  the environment, and cruelty and for health, also apply to my dogs as well.    Perhaps you can go 25% vegetarian?   Every little bit would help.

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I've made them peanut butter dog treats before & they really liked them. I'm going to look for PetGuard, Evolution and Ami. Do you give them any table scraps too? I've given Molly rice before when her tummy was upset & Ive given them both carrots as a treat before. I'm wondering if I can just give them a grain/bean/veggie mixture like what I often have for dinner.

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Actually I am really nervous to switch my cats to a vegan diet to tell the truth, I am taking it really slow.  I am thinking of going 100% with them, they are 90% now and I have been watching them very closely for any changes.  So far, they are okay.  I know lack of taurine causes blindness so I am watching them for eyesight problems, but when I wave my hand in the air Sidra watches it intently, and stuff, they run around and play like normal.  The only difference I notice so far is their cat box smell less, and their fur is softer. 

There are two main websites I go through, good for cats and dogs.  As far as the PH level for the cat, that is taken care of too by this one website.  Here:

The Evolution Diet, ready made vegan cat and dog kibble:
http://www.petfoodshop.com/index.cfm?id=989139&fuseaction=browse&pageid=1

Harbingers for a new age:
http://www.vegepet.com/
Here you can buy ready made kibble, or this vegan vitamin powder to add to recipies for cats and dogs so you can make food yourself at home, which is cheaper.

My cats have been eating the Evolution Diet but it is so EXPENSIVE.  So I just ordered some vegecat powder stuff so I can make my own cat food at home, think it would be a lot cheaper. 

Oh, for the PH thing, the vegpet thing has a vegepet ph formula you can get:
http://www.vegepet.com/forcats.html
It the vegecat ph formula.  I am getting the regular. 

But like I said, I am watching them real close to see if anything goes wrong, but so far, they are okay.

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I've made them peanut butter dog treats before & they really liked them. I'm going to look for PetGuard, Evolution and Ami. Do you give them any table scraps too? I've given Molly rice before when her tummy was upset & Ive given them both carrots as a treat before. I'm wondering if I can just give them a grain/bean/veggie mixture like what I often have for dinner.

lisaanddini:  Here is a link to a helpful website with info on cooking vegan meals for your dog.
http://www.gentleworld.org/VEGAN/dogs-can-be-vegan-too.htm

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I've made them peanut butter dog treats before & they really liked them. I'm going to look for PetGuard, Evolution and Ami. Do you give them any table scraps too? I've given Molly rice before when her tummy was upset & Ive given them both carrots as a treat before. I'm wondering if I can just give them a grain/bean/veggie mixture like what I often have for dinner.

To reduce drama at the dinner table and begging, I usually have a "no people food" rule in my house.  But away from my meal time, I'll slip them peanut butte and other thingsr.  My boy dog will eat any and anything from apples, asaparagus, carrots, blueberries to green beans.  The girl dog isn't too terrible fond of fruits and veggies although she gobbles up the vegan kibble.  When she would have bouts of diarhea she loved eating brown rice mixed with a little oil like flax.

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Actually I am really nervous to switch my cats to a vegan diet to tell the truth, I am taking it really slow.  I am thinking of going 100% with them, they are 90% now and I have been watching them very closely for any changes.  So far, they are okay.  I know lack of taurine causes blindness so I am watching them for eyesight problems, but when I wave my hand in the air Sidra watches it intently, and stuff, they run around and play like normal.  The only difference I notice so far is their cat box smell less, and their fur is softer. 

There are two main websites I go through, good for cats and dogs.  As far as the PH level for the cat, that is taken care of too by this one website.  Here:

The Evolution Diet, ready made vegan cat and dog kibble:
http://www.petfoodshop.com/index.cfm?id=989139&fuseaction=browse&pageid=1

Harbingers for a new age:
http://www.vegepet.com/
Here you can buy ready made kibble, or this vegan vitamin powder to add to recipies for cats and dogs so you can make food yourself at home, which is cheaper.

My cats have been eating the Evolution Diet but it is so EXPENSIVE.  So I just ordered some vegecat powder stuff so I can make my own cat food at home, think it would be a lot cheaper. 

Oh, for the PH thing, the vegpet thing has a vegepet ph formula you can get:
http://www.vegepet.com/forcats.html
It the vegecat ph formula.  I am getting the regular. 

But like I said, I am watching them real close to see if anything goes wrong, but so far, they are okay.

From what I've been reading cats are a bit more delicate in finding a vegan diet that they like and that agrees with them.  Thanks for the links!

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I have tried to put my dogs on a vegan diet ( slowly) the more vegan kibble I gave them the more runny they become. I do however give them fruits and vegies with there meals.

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My Vet in Tucson knew Guinevere and D'Artagnon were on a veg diet. I feed avoderm veg, whcih I cant say enough good things about. She was very supportive of the veg diet (she was vegetarian herself) but kept recomending royal canine...I read the ingredients about that and decided it was NOT best for my little kiddos. Shed still recomend it everytime I went there but, whatever.

Im glad my vet knew because if anything ever happened with my kiddos, Id feel better knowing she has known their whole history from the start. Plus, I felt more confident with my choice when she gave possitive feedback on it.

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For those of you that are interested, I feed my cats and dogs 'Felidae' and 'Canidae' all natural pet food (its not vegetarian though). It's a very good company that uses wholesome whole ingredients in there food and is a cruelty free company. I did alot of research on this topic and finally settled on this brand. Not only was I concerned about what crap I might be feeding my babies, but I was also concerned that other animals were being treated with cruelty just so I could feed my own. PETA has alot of information on cruelty free pet products, they also expose the companies that do horrendous animal testing in order to produce pet food. To name a couple (Iams and Purina (friskies)). Anyway, just a tip if you are looking to feed your pets cruelty free, but no necessarily vegan or vegetarian. I also feed my cats canned fish as a treat (ie tuna and salmon that a person could eat) as opposed to a canned cat food brand. Alot of the mains stream pet food companies are really just aweful and do alot of sadistic animal testing! Okay, I'm done with my rant. I'm just very very passionate on the topic of animal cruelty.

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