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Diet pills for dogs!!

So what do you think? Should you give your dog a pill to help its poor eating habits and lack of exercise or should you just take proper care of your dog? Yes apparently 5% of the dogs in the US are obese and 20-30% are overweight. And the cure is a diet pill!! Honestly some people should just not have a dog if they can't care for it and respect it properly.
Anyway this is a link to read the article yourself.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6236231.stm

I thought you were making this up!  :o
I love this quote from the article:

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Slentrol, made by the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, is intended to significantly reduce the appetite and increase fat absorption in canines.

The FDA's head of veterinary medicine said the drug was a welcome addition to animal therapies because of an apparent increase in dog obesity in the US.

Hmmmm.... Pfizer and the FDA are in bed together again....... :D

Four legged people (er..dogs)  that are obese, like the two legged obese ones, have to lose weight the only way that works: restrict their calorie intake and exercise!.

Maybe they can come out with some ADD drugs for dogs too......Then veterinarians can say that over 40% of our dogs have ADD and put them on some zombie drugs...just like they do to kids!  :P

Oh BTW as far as this quote regarding side effects:

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However, the prescription drug can also produce side effects, including loose stools, diarrhoea, vomiting, lethargy and loss of appetite.

That's the same reaction I got from my dogs this morning after they all had a night of heavy beer and tequila drinking ;)!

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I just saw an American news programme that said that several of the diet drugs for humans have been "discovered" to be all hype and no results, and that mostly they just have stimulants in to make you zip around more. This wasn't news back in the 60's...as a person who has to watch her wieght from childhood, whenever I hear the words "wonder drug" and "eat all you want and Still Lose Weight!" I just guffaw. And now, a quick-fix for canines! Right.
As my gynae puts it, a closed mouth gathers no calories.
In the case of dogs etc...don't people realise that if you feed the dog less, not only will it not be obese, they won't spend quite so much on food for it? Or is that too obvious? The only thing I can imagine that will really be thinner if you buy and use these crazy "fat burners" (we have them here too!) is your wallet... :D

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Every dog my mother has had has become very overweight. They are small & probably get enough exercise in her yard, but she feeds them treats all the time & most of it junk food for humans. Then she complains when they have health issues. She takes them to the vet, but she doesn't see any connection.

People keep looking for a quick fix to their life style choices. My family is always amazed that we hardly ever get sick. They are always sick. My sister told me she & her husand are both sick at least half of the winter season. She said she has about a week between colds where she feels ok & then she gets sick again.  :o  They eat crap, they don't exercise but never think that that might be part of their problem.  :-\

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Dave..they do make an ADD medication for dogs..I forget which one is used in the canine world but I have heard of it being used..that and anti-anxiety medications.  :o

I don't think a pill is a solution to dogs OR humans losing weight. I have a very simple solution..Put your hiking boots on, leash up your dog and WALK!!  Just a 1/2 mile a day I bet there would be a noticeable difference in both the person and the dog!  I don't want to hear the excuse you live in the country and don't have sidewalks! That's even better!! Get out in the woods..follow some deer trails (my crew's FAVORITE thing to do!).

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Yes Majicka414, I know they do. Here's some: Clomicalm, , Anipryl...etc.

MOST (not all...I said most) vets in this country cause more damage and harm to dog's health then all other reasons combined. They over vaccinate (not 1 single dog or cat in the US has to be vaccinated every year.....would you vaccinate yourself or your children every year?!?!). I really love vets that vaccinate cats every year ...that never leave the house! But instead of doing simple titer tests to see if the vaccines are still active...nope... they just vaccinate again, and again, and again. They dispense and sell horrible flea and tick medications ( frontline, advantage) that are ruining their livers and causing cancer. Most pets just need a really good diet and exercise to improve their own immune systems (and keep them slim). You can look at all my dogs pics (well most of them anyway) in my gallery and there's not 1 single fatso in the bunch! None of them get any vaccinations (besides when they were pups or when i first found them) and they all eat super premium dog food (plus what I cook for them....cooking for 11 dogs in nuts!....actually HAVING 11 dogs in nuts)!

But seeing how this article has been blasted all over the news, I'm sure people will be lining up in a few months to give their dogs even more harmful stuff to mess up their immune systems even more.  :P

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I agree vets are very very uneducated about vaccines and nutrition.  I titer all 3 of my dogs..they all get their first series of shots, their one year booster and then titers. So far so good.  If your vet tells you vaccinate, vaccinate..request titers. If they refuse or charge you an outrageous amount ($50-$75 is the NORM for titering) go somewhere else!

I'm very lucky that my vet is progressive and willing to research and explore alternatives to traditional methods.

My labX is slightly overweight (about 5lbs or so)..I've cut down her food, exercised her etc, but she is getting older (and has mast cell cancer) so there's only so much I can push her w/ the exercise. It's been a battle and labs have a tendency to gain weight easily. (my husband also gives them cookies often argh!!).

Her "old vet" couldn't even give me advice on how to slim her down (except cut down her food..she was down to 1c 2x a day..1/2 c would have bordered starvation, 60-65 is her ultimate weight, she's 69lbs now). Now I use the "green bean" diet with her (mix 1 c of food w/ up to 1c greenbeans, helps fill them up) and she's starting to really look good. I would NEVER use a diet pill on her. If she has a few xtra..so be it. Better a lil chunky than poisoned!

I dunno how you do 11 dogs Dave..I have 3 and it's not easy some days...but Im sure much like me you wouldn't change it for the world! 

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I apologize for taking this a little off-topic, but here goes...

I shelter/adopt cats in western MD.  I always take new kitties to the vet before bringing them home (don't want to contaminate the whole crew with ear mites, etc.!)  My problem, though, is that I would like to take all of the cats in for an annual exam at the vet's office, but the vet says they are required BY LAW to vaccinate the cats once a year, rabies is the minimum vaccine.  My cats do not have access to the outdoors, so I really hate to pump them full of chemicals and who knows what else is in those vaccines.  So, should I just take the cats when they 'look' sick, or hope that the rabies vaccine isn't too horrible for them?  Maybe this isn't a federal law and if I took them out of state I wouldn't run into this?  Any thoughts?

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I do vac for rabies because it's the LAW. So you'll probably have to suck it up unfortunately and get rabies done. The other stuff is NOT required by ANY LAW. You can also ask for a 2 or 3 yr rabies vac.  (and if i could find a way around the law, I'd certainly do it, but the "law" doesn't allow titers for rabies as proof, and I think rabies is not included in titering anyhow)

Also make sure your vet doesn't sneak a combo vaccine in..I had a vet do that ONCE..I was ready to KILL her. I told her 12 times before she gave the vac that I ONLY wanted rabies.  Strange enough (coincidence maybe? dunno..) about 2 months ago I had a mast cell tumor removed from the same dog. She's my only current dog who's had more than puppy shots and 1 yr boosters (before I really got into the dog world and did my research she had gotten yearly shots for 2 yrs, then I stopped, then this vet gave her the combo at 4yrs old..she's now 6yrs old)

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Yes you could do 3 year rabies shots. I don't do any rabies shots. My vet (a holistic/general vet) said she would cover my butt if I ever needed her to. The whole rabies thing is a scam as well. When it was first set up over 50 years ago, it was made manditory in the 1970's in counties that have NEVER had a case of rabies. Even if your dog or cat did get rabies, they would still try to "destroy" your pet. There are many types of rabies so the shots they give to our pets have less then a 5% chance of protecting them.
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When rabies shots became common for pets in the 1950s, no one questioned the value of annual vaccination. Distemper, which kills 50 percent of victims, could be warded off with a shot. Parvovirus, which kills swiftly and gruesomely by causing a toxic proliferation of bacteria in the digestive system, was vanquished with a vaccine. Over the years, more and more shots were added to the schedule, preventing costly and potentially deadly disease in furry family members.

Then animal doctors began noticing something ominous: rare instances of cancer in normal, healthy cats and an unusual immune reaction in dogs. The shots apparently caused feline fibrosarcoma, a grotesque tumor at the site of the shot, which is fatal if not discovered early and cut out completely. Dogs developed a vaccine-related disease in which the dog's body rejects its own blood.

"That really caused people to ask the question, `If we can cause that kind of harm with a vaccine ... are we vaccinating too much?' " said Ronald Schultz, a veterinary immunologist at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine. "As you get more and more (vaccines), the possibility that a vaccine is going to cause an adverse event increases quite a bit."

Less frequent vaccines could reduce that risk, Schultz reasoned. Having observed that humans got lifetime immunity from most of their childhood vaccines, Schultz applied the same logic to dogs. He vaccinated them for rabies, parvo, kennel cough and distemper and then exposed them to the disease-causing organisms after three, five and seven years. The animals remained healthy, validating his hunch.

He continued his experiment by measuring antibody levels in the dogs' blood nine and 15 years after vaccination. He found the levels sufficient to prevent disease.

Fredric Scott, professor emeritus at Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine, obtained similar results comparing 15 vaccinated cats with 17 nonvaccinated cats. He found the cats' immunity lasted 7.5 years after vaccination. In 1998, the American Association of Feline Practitioners published guidelines based on Scott's work, recommending vaccines every three years.


more:
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc2.htm
list of holistic vets:
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petconsult.htm

I hope this helps!

-dave

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Interesting. A few yrs back when my beloved cat Saul was still with us (sniff!), vaccines were never given together, as they said that it could cause side effects. You got the rabies one time, the feline leukemia one three weeks to a month later. One time my vet's student did them both together and later that night Saul had a fever and I had to take him in. Fortunately they were on night duty together, and my vet dressed the student down and told her *she* was absorbing the cost of the office call since it was her mistake.
Here's another interesting question: Here in Europe, they say you should never let a young puppy walk on the ground until they've had both sets of puppy vaccines. The young pups get carried around for the first few weeks, only set down to do their business. What is that in aid of? I never heard of that in the States.

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Well from what I understand (having a few friends who have had puppies recently) it's not that you can't set your puppy down, but you SHOULDNT set them down in strange places and allow them contact with strange dogs.

I have experience w/ Parvo so Ill use that as an example. Parvo can be easily spread (via shoes believe it or not!). Certain breeds are more susceptable to parvo than others (rottweilers for one). Even tho MOST puppies get a strong immunity from mother's milk, there is still a chance, and again certain breeds seem to be more susceptable to diseases even AFTER being vaccinated.  Parvo (and I'm sure the other diseases) are no fun to deal with. Puppy systems aren't strong enough to deal with fighting these diseases, so better safe than sorry. Unfortunately for puppies who DO come down with parvo, the outcome usually isn't very good. It's a rough disease and it really ravages their little bodies.

As puppies age (and get their primary vaccines) their bodies become stronger and therefore protected.

I'm sorry about your cat Saul.  :(

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There are many types of rabies so the shots they give to our pets have less then a 5% chance of protecting them.

I don't have any dogs or cats. I am quite certain that as soon as I move somewhere that they're not forbidden in the lease, I'll find myself with more stray animals than children  :D ! Anyhow, since I don't have any, I haven't really thought about any of this. If the level of protection is so low, then why is proof of having the vaccines sufficient when someone is bitten by an animal? A wild animal or unvaccinated animal would be checked for rabies, but one that's had the vaccine is assumed to be healthy.  . .? ? ?

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hey majicka414 !

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I dunno how you do 11 dogs Dave..I have 3 and it's not easy some days...but Im sure much like me you wouldn't change it for the world!

Well, getting the 3rd dog was the hardest decision. After that it became...who cares  ::)!?
So maybe you're on your way!  ;D

If you lived here where I live, and saw stray dogs everyday roaming the streets and hiding in the woods, it's hard not to have a heart and rescue them. Of course if I kept them all I'd have 70 or 80, I don't really know or count anymore.

As far as Parvo, a few weeks after I got here I found a dog "Linus" roaming down the street covered in tar, oil, ticks, fleas, etc. He was about a year old and had parvo. He almost died, but after a huge vet bill, we saved him. He really looked like this big "basketball" head junkyard dog...but he was very sweet. It took a long time to find him a home, but let's say he drove off from adoptions with this crazy lady in a Lexus, and I just got a x-mas card from her this year with his pic. She's actually a great mom..(.I'm brutal when it comes to screening and adopting a dog out). Good 4 him!

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There are many types of rabies so the shots they give to our pets have less then a 5% chance of protecting them.

If the level of protection is so low, then why is proof of having the vaccines sufficient when someone is bitten by an animal? A wild animal or unvaccinated animal would be checked for rabies, but one that's had the vaccine is assumed to be healthy.  . .? ? ?

..I do know that in a few cases (not sure of the percentage, I'm only going by what I've heard) that if a dog bites someone it is  usually quarantined even IF the owner has proof of rabies vaccination. 

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MDVegan:  For the past twelve years I've had two cats I bought to the vet every year, got all their shots, etc.  One passed away at an abnormally early age two years ago while having a procedure done at the vet's office (I won't get into that) and I got two new young cats last summer to keep the third cat company (and a new vet).

I used to feel that I was being a very diligent and responsible pet owner by taking my cats to the vet every year, even though they were rather young and healthy, and by making sure they were up to date on their shots, etc.  I would bring the one who was slightly older in to have his teeth cleaned, and the younger one in for grooming since she was a little nasty and wouldn't let us comb her long fur, which would get matted (it was during this procedure that she had a heart attack--who knows what went on).

Anyway, since that cat died, I've spoken with other pet owners about mishaps they have had with their pets and I decided that I don't think my cats need to go to the doctor every year, especially since they are always indoors.  I started thinking about all the cats I've known in my life, and how old many of them lived without ever having more than one or two vet visits at the most.  (My aunt had one in the country who lived until she was 21 and I don't think she was vaccinated for anything.)  I think the motivation is that you want to treat these animal children as responsibly as you would treat human children and clearly taking your kid to the doctor every year for a checkup is a responsible thing to do.  But given the stress involved for my cats in being transported, being examined, and undergoing any minor and unnecessary treatment the vet might prescribe (but not my new vet--a crusty old common sense kind of vet)--well, I've just opted for less.

So on your question, I vote that you only take the cats who seem to not be doing well.

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Thanks for your input!  My cats are my babies, and I want them to have the happiest, healthiest lives they can live.

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